2018 Democrats thread

[BigSqwert]

11 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Biden/Bernie that's the ticket.

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[greg775]

21 minutes ago, BigSqwert said:

Sponsored by Geritol!

I know. It's sad Father Time has those dudes 10-15 years too old for this. Hard to imagine any young candidates that will survive the likeability test and media scrutiny. The media chewed up Carson, who I liked. The media chewed up some of the others like Carly. Bush couldn't handle Trump's meanness/insults. Once a young candidate gets momentum, the heavy scrutiny begins and the warts come out. I want Bernie cause I want free stuff now. That's cause my government has failed my middle class. So I've given up. Give it to me free now, baby. And Bernie will deliver.

Edited May 31, 2018 by greg775

[The Beast]

3 hours ago, greg775 said:

I know. It's sad Father Time has those dudes 10-15 years too old for this. Hard to imagine any young candidates that will survive the likeability test and media scrutiny. The media chewed up Carson, who I liked. The media chewed up some of the others like Carly. Bush couldn't handle Trump's meanness/insults. Once a young candidate gets momentum, the heavy scrutiny begins and the warts come out. I want Bernie cause I want free stuff now. That's cause my government has failed my middle class. So I've given up. Give it to me free now, baby. And Bernie will deliver.

I want nothing to do with Sanders as of now. He has some ideas that I can’t agree with as a left leaning independent. Biden with some younger VP or Hickenlooper and Kasich is something I could get behind, even if the latter is a pipe dream.

[Dam8610]

1 hour ago, The Beast said:

I want nothing to do with Sanders as of now. He has some ideas that I can’t agree with as a left leaning independent. Biden with some younger VP or Hickenlooper and Kasich is something I could get behind, even if the latter is a pipe dream.

Ideas such as?

[greg775]

There's something about Bernie that rubs some Demos the wrong way. I'd take Bernie or Biden over Trumpster. Would Ben Carson run again? Or is he been tossed in the meat grinder and too frazzled after the last go-round in which he was painted as a dummy.

[caulfield12]

Carson is done!

[Dam8610]

53 minutes ago, greg775 said:

There's something about Bernie that rubs some Demos the wrong way. I'd take Bernie or Biden over Trumpster. Would Ben Carson run again? Or is he been tossed in the meat grinder and too frazzled after the last go-round in which he was painted as a dummy.

Ben Carson is a brilliant neurosurgeon who should stick to neurosurgery.

[caulfield12]

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/44641-candidates-backed-by-sanders-s-our-revolution-organization-achieve-early-success

Candidates backed by Our Revolution achieve early success...

Just wanted to rile up, Reddy.

 

California Democrats agonize over House primaries..."Crowded primaries and the state’s unusual top-two system could leave Democrats without a general election candidate in key races."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/29/california-democrats-house-primaries-577974

 

Three battleground districts in Orange County — a one-time conservative bastion that backed Hillary Clinton in 2016 — all pose the same risk in next Tuesday’s primaries, which could cost Democrats some of their most promising opportunities to flip seats in their bid to retake the House of Representatives this fall.

The trouble in the districts represented by Rohrabacher and retiring Republican Reps. Darrell Issa and Ed Royce prompted the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and other groups to anoint certain candidates and spend millions of dollars to prevent a Democratic “lockout.” But worried and confused Democratic voters are the only ones with the power to avoid a lockout — and even the most hardened pragmatists in their ranks are struggling to decide what to do.

“This is not the year to fall in love. This is the year to vote with your head for whoever has the best chance of winning, based on polling,” said Jesse Bry, a 42-year-old business owner in Issa’s district who declined to say for whom she plans to vote on June 5. “The hard part is figuring out who has the best shot, and that’s been in flux and confusing and agonizing to figure out in this primary.”

[The Beast]

4 hours ago, Dam8610 said:

Ideas such as?

Mostly anything that is free and the fact that he focused so much on the 1%. If he went against Trump o would probably vote for him but again, I hope Biden, Hickenlooper/Kasich or another young democrat runs.

[Dam8610]

1 hour ago, The Beast said:

Mostly anything that is free and the fact that he focused so much on the 1%. If he went against Trump o would probably vote for him but again, I hope Biden, Hickenlooper/Kasich or another young democrat runs.

Still unsure what you're against. Can you clarify what you mean when you say "anything that is free"?

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/congressional-candidate-virginia-admits-pedophile-011921211.html

Independent/alt-right admitted pedophile runs for Congress in VA....

 

According to Larson’s campaign manifesto, his platform as a “quasi-neoreactionary libertarian” candidate includes protecting gun ownership rights, establishing free trade and protecting “benevolent white supremacy,” as well as legalizing incestuous marriage and child pornography.

In the manifesto, Larson called Nazi leader Adolf Hitler a “white supremacist hero.” He urged Congress to repeal the Violence Against Women Act, adding, “We need to switch to a system that classifies women as property, initially of their fathers and later of their husbands.” He also showed sympathy for men who identify as involuntary celibates, or incels, suggesting it is unfair that they “are forced to pay taxes for schools, welfare, and other support for other men’s children.”

[caulfield12]

Congratulations to 3rd person The Greg775 for passing Balta for 7th place on the SoxTalk Leaderboard....

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?/pastleaders/

They can’t stop you, they can only hope to contain you, haha...I noticed last week when I looked this statistic up there was no 9th place, only top 8.  But you’ve improved 2 in the intervening time period.   Ozzie would be proud.

[The Beast]

6 hours ago, Dam8610 said:

Still unsure what you're against. Can you clarify what you mean when you say "anything that is free"?

I’m not sure I agree with the taxes that are involved with his plans on healthcare or making public universities free. 

[Brian]

With how much taxes Americans pay, and with how little we get for them, I'd be all for a slight increase if everyone got health care and education. No more premiums out of my paycheck or co pays. **Waits for someone to say everyone would have to wait a year for surgery if needed which isn't true**

It's pretty ridiculous compared to what some European countries get for less taxes.

Edited June 1, 2018 by Brian

[Dam8610]

1 hour ago, The Beast said:

I’m not sure I agree with the taxes that are involved with his plans on healthcare or making public universities free. 

So you're against a Wall Street transaction tax, a removal of the cap on social security tax, and an increase in income taxes on (now) corporations and the wealthiest 1%? Why?

47 minutes ago, Brian said:

With how much taxes Americans pay, and with how little we get for them, I'd be all for a slight increase if everyone got health care and education. No more premiums out of my paycheck or co pays. **Waits for someone to say everyone would have to wait a year for surgery if needed which isn't true**

It's pretty ridiculous compared to what some European countries get for less taxes.

So much this. We pay less taxes than most developed nations, but we get so much less for our tax dollar as well. We need to raise taxes AND reprioritize how taxes are spent. 

[The Beast]

3 hours ago, Dam8610 said:

So you're against a Wall Street transaction tax, a removal of the cap on social security tax, and an increase in income taxes on (now) corporations and the wealthiest 1%? Why?

So much this. We pay less taxes than most developed nations, but we get so much less for our tax dollar as well. We need to raise taxes AND reprioritize how taxes are spent. 

I said I’m not sure I agree, I haven’t been persuaded otherwise yet. I would love to get more for the taxes I pay and also have my property taxes reduced a bit in my new home, but I’m not sure it will happen. If it did, I’d be interested as to how everything that was proposed would work. Bernie wouldn’t be my first choice, Biden would. Maybe Bernie would gain more support from beyond his base than I think he would, but I don’t know.

[Dam8610]

5 minutes ago, The Beast said:

I said I’m not sure I agree, I haven’t been persuaded otherwise yet. I would love to get more for the taxes I pay and also have my property taxes reduced a bit in my new home, but I’m not sure it will happen. If it did, I’d be interested as to how everything that was proposed would work. Bernie wouldn’t be my first choice, Biden would. Maybe Bernie would gain more support from beyond his base than I think he would, but I don’t know.

Well, do you think those who get the most from society should have to pay the most for it to exist? Do you think that if a group gets about 50% of the income in this country, that they should be paying about 50% of the taxes?

[greg775]

10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Congratulations to 3rd person The Greg775 for passing Balta for 7th place on the SoxTalk Leaderboard....

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?/pastleaders/

They can’t stop you, they can only hope to contain you, haha...I noticed last week when I looked this statistic up there was no 9th place, only top 8.  But you’ve improved 2 in the intervening time period.   Ozzie would be proud.

What does that mean? That I am beloved?

[greg775]

7 hours ago, Brian said:

With how much taxes Americans pay, and with how little we get for them, I'd be all for a slight increase if everyone got health care and education. No more premiums out of my paycheck or co pays. **Waits for someone to say everyone would have to wait a year for surgery if needed which isn't true**

It's pretty ridiculous compared to what some European countries get for less taxes.

Exactly. I'm fed up and through with them. Insurance companies are crooked and won't pay up. I want free stuff now and will vote for anybody who gives it to me. 

[Brian]

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

Exactly. I'm fed up and through with them. Insurance companies are crooked and won't pay up. I want free stuff now and will vote for anybody who gives it to me. 

It’s...not...fre...Nevermind 

[Heads22]

I would also like free things. @Brian could you give me some?

[Jack Parkman]

Nothing is truly free, you just pay more in taxes for what you get. The question we have to ask us do we pay more in taxes or do we pay more if higher education/healthcare is privatized. We know the answer to that. If we give those two things over to the government, the public has the ability to hold those who abuse the system accountable. While those systems are not controlled by the government, The public has no control on keeping costs down and no ability to change things. Private institutions can keep gouging prices and there is nothing the public can do about it. 

 

Edited June 3, 2018 by Jack Parkman

[pcq]

I question whether an 80 year old ethnic guy has enough mass appeal. I hope Kasich gets his stuff together and starts a campaign. Eric Holder I might support. Kamela Harris not. Without a good candidate  out there Dumpster fire might get re-elected and never step down. 

[caulfield12]

On 6/3/2018 at 9:09 AM, pcq said:

I question whether an 80 year old ethnic guy has enough mass appeal. I hope Kasich gets his stuff together and starts a campaign. Eric Holder I might support. Kamela Harris not. Without a good candidate  out there Dumpster fire might get re-elected and never step down. 

Kasich is never going to be accepted by Democrats (on a potential split ticket) because of his far to the right of conservative social views (which really didn't arise in the primaries because nobody got any breathing room with Trump.)

I would AGREE the 2016 version was the "adult in the room" and said some appealing things, mostly on bread and butter economics, balancing budgets, etc.   He is perceived to be on of the Republicans who at least pays lip service to poverty/income-inequality issues.

[StrangeSox]