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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:00 PM)
If the Russians are so anti-Trump, don't you think it is at least a little odd Trump refuses to enforce sanctions?

There's a whole thread to talk about Trump conspiracies. Take it over there.

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:02 PM)
There's a whole thread to talk about Trump conspiracies. Take it over there.

Actually it is a proper reaction to the storyt you linked. Russians selling Trump dirt. It's a great story for the right, but it's BS or the sanctions would have been enforced.

 

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:05 PM)
Actually it is a proper reaction to the storyt you linked. Russians selling Trump dirt. It's a great story for the right, but it's BS or the sanctions would have been enforced.

Apparently everything is BS if it doesn't fall in line with your narrative. Back to the thread!

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:10 PM)
Apparently everything is BS if it doesn't fall in line with your narrative. Back to the thread!

Pot. kettle.black.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:16 PM)
Pot. kettle.black.

Why does every thread have to spiral into your personal quibbles? I posted an article. I don't have to answer for everything the president does.

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:48 PM)
Why does every thread have to spiral into your personal quibbles? I posted an article. I don't have to answer for everything the president does.

You were the one who started quibbling, as per usual in this section.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 07:22 PM)
You were the one who started quibbling, as per usual in this section.

Notice how you qualify that "in this section." Because outside of the political board on this site, I don't go at it with people. Do you think the same could be said about you?

 

But again, let's get back to the topic of the thread.

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 11:05 PM)
Notice how you qualify that "in this section." Because outside of the political board on this site, I don't go at it with people. Do you think the same could be said about you?

 

But again, let's get back to the topic of the thread.

Back to your old stand by. It's like clockwork with you.

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Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland elections heavily influenced by Russian bots

 

But comforting though it may be for those in other Western capitals to dismiss Zeman as some kind of post-communist problem, his truly vile election campaign both echoes the politics of many older democracies and may be a harbinger of the future for others. As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, Czech political and media culture are heavily influenced by popular (and anonymous) websites that pump out a constant stream of pro-Russian, anti-NATO propaganda, promoting fear and hatred of Muslim immigrants and resentment of an alleged “elite” that is far weaker than the corrupt business class and Russian entities who supported the president’s campaign. But if that sounds like a problem of an immature democracy, think about this: Precisely that same sentence, with those same words, could have been written about the Trump campaign.

 

Indeed, the further similarities are eerie. In the second round of the election, Zeman’s social media operation began smearing his opponent, Jiri Drahos, a neophyte who ran a campaign arguing for decency and civilized debate, as a pedophile. Disgusting? Absurd? Only in the primitive East? Think back to the final weeks of the U.S. election campaign and remember “Pizzagate,” the bizarre conspiracy theory that alleged the existence of a pedophile ring, run by Hillary Clinton, in the nonexistent basement of a Washington restaurant. Hundreds of thousands spread the story in its first five weeks, and one of them even grabbed his gun and drove to the restaurant in order to liberate the nonexistent children from the nonexistent basement.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-...m=.f4404f234410

 

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:05 PM)
Actually it is a proper reaction to the storyt you linked. Russians selling Trump dirt. It's a great story for the right, but it's BS or the sanctions would have been enforced.

 

I don't see how it would be a "great story for the right" or for Trump?

 

The CIA, which is now headed by a Trump loyalist, CIA Director Mike Pompeo, has at times been reluctant to stay involved in the operation, apparently for fear of obtaining the Trump-related material offered by the Russians, according to sources close to the negotiations. In the period in which the communications channel has been open, CIA officials are said to have repeatedly changed their views about it. They have sometimes expressed interest, only to later back away from any involvement with the channel and the intermediaries. At some points, the CIA has been serious enough about buying materials through the channel that agency officials said they had transported cash to the CIA’s station in Berlin to complete the transaction. But at other points, agency officials backed off and shut down their communications. Some people involved with the channel believe that the CIA has grown so heavily politicized under Pompeo that officials there have become fearful of taking possession of any materials that might be considered damaging to Trump.

 

The CIA’s wariness shows that the reality within the U.S. intelligence community is a far cry from the right-wing conspiracy theory that a “deep state” is working against Trump. Instead, the agency’s behavior seems to indicate that U.S. intelligence officials are torn about whether to conduct any operations at all that might aid Mueller’s ongoing investigation into whether Trump or his aides colluded with Russia to win the 2016 presidential election.

 

Many intelligence officials are reluctant to get involved with anything related to the Trump-Russia case for fear of blowback from Trump himself, who might seek revenge by firing senior officials and wreaking havoc on their agencies. For example, Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence and thus the man supposedly in charge of the entire U.S. intelligence community, has said he does not see it as his role to push for an aggressive Trump-Russia investigation, according to a source familiar with the matter.

 

It's an interesting look inside the NSA and CIA. If you hear foreign agents are shopping around potentially damaging or incriminating or compromising information on top government officials, you're probably going to want to get your hands on it in order to assess its veracity and understand and plan for the potential impact if it were ever made public or turned over to antagonistic actors.

 

The NSA coded tweets aspect was interesting:

 

n March 2017, the Russian met with the American intermediary and a U.S. official in Berlin and agreed to provide the stolen NSA data from the Shadow Brokers in exchange for payment. The U.S. government used “certain messaging techniques” that the Russian accepted as proof that the U.S. government was behind the negotiations and the proposed deal, according to the documents obtained by The Intercept.

 

Officials gave the Russians advance knowledge that on June 20, 2017, at 12:30 p.m., the official NSA Twitter account would tweet: “Samuel Morse patented the telegraph 177 years ago. Did you know you can still send telegrams? Faster than post & pay only if it’s delivered.”

 

That tweet, in exactly those words, was issued at that time.

 

The NSA used that messaging technique repeatedly over the following months, each time officials wanted to communicate with the Russians or reassure them that the U.S. was still supporting the channel. Each time, the Russians were told the text of the tweets in advance and the exact time they would be released. Each tweet looked completely benign but was in fact a message to the Russians.

 

On August 17, 2017, officials communicated with the Russians by having the NSA account issue a tweet saying:“The 1st telegraph communications exchange occurred between Queen Victoria and President Buchanan in 1858.”

 

In October, 2017, officials communicated again with the Russians when the NSA tweeted:“This week in history, Robert Lamphere began working on the Verona program in 1948.”

 

That same month, officials gave the Russians early notice that the NSA account would tweet:“Can you help Kandice the Kangaroo save her baby Jory in this month’s #PuzzlePeriodical?”

 

In early November, three NSA tweets were part of the communications channel. One said:“#NSA inducts 5 #CryptologicPioneers into the Cryptologic Hall of Honor. Learn more about their distinguished service.” Another stated: “People are our greatest assets. The #NSA workforce makes 65 years of service possible #NSA65.” And a third:“23,725 days, 31,164,000 min. 2,049,840,000 sec and counting…At #NSA the mission never sleeps. #NSA65.”

 

Later that month, a message was sent to the Russians when the NSA account tweeted:“The ADONIS cipher machine replaced WWI-era SIGABA machine. It was one of the first machines to print on-the-fly.”

 

And in December, the NSA gave advance warning to the Russians that its official account would tweet:“Section 702 is a law that can also be a lifesaver. Take a look at how #Section 702 protects troops and helps the nation.”

 

 

 

This part is also pretty interesting:

 

In December 2017, the Russian turned over documents and files, some of them in Russian. The documents appeared to include FBI investigative reports, financial records, and other materials related to Trump officials and the 2016 campaign.

 

“The information was vetted and ultimately determined that while a significant part of it was accurate and verifiable, other parts of the data were impossible to verify and could be controversial,” the documents obtained by The Intercept state. It is not clear who vetted the material.

 

It's hard to say much more without knowing exactly what the information is, but that they determined a significant portion was legitimate seems important.

 

Too bad our current government is dead set against doing anything to prevent future meddling in our democracy.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 08:32 AM)
I don't see how it would be a "great story for the right" or for Trump?

 

 

 

It's an interesting look inside the NSA and CIA. If you hear foreign agents are shopping around potentially damaging or incriminating or compromising information on top government officials, you're probably going to want to get your hands on it in order to assess its veracity and understand and plan for the potential impact if it were ever made public or turned over to antagonistic actors.

 

The NSA coded tweets aspect was interesting:

 

 

 

 

 

This part is also pretty interesting:

 

 

 

It's hard to say much more without knowing exactly what the information is, but that they determined a significant portion was legitimate seems important.

 

Too bad our current government is dead set against doing anything to prevent future meddling in our democracy.

 

The great story is the Russians were actually interfering for Hillary and against Trump. It's something they like to throw out there, but the reality is, if there was any shred of truth to it, or they really thought it, the non enforcement of Russian sanctions wouldn't be an issue. It's a dead giveaway for the truth.

 

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 10:13 AM)
Even SS and I agree but DA will keep going.

LOL. For a guy who wants to stop the quibbling and get to the topic at hand, you sure do quibble a lot. Your posts here don't bother me, if that's what your after. I laugh at them.

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Frankly, when nobody in the administration will listen to someone like Dan Coats (or McCain, for that matter)...the Trump admin is basically willing to let the Russians burn down our most sacred democratic process without any consequences, so we deserve whatever happens for not taking steps to safeguard the system months before our next election cycle.

 

Frankly, we’ve heard more about Google, Facebook and local/State political parties battling over gerrymandering at this point. Despite nearly unanimous votes asking for stronger sanctions against Russia, and one of those five no votes being one from Justin Amash of MI for not doing nearly enough. But no, let’s just throw up our hands in exasperation and shrug it all off since Trump can’t even begin to fathom it.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-states-at...-170100777.html

 

During a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing in Washington, D.C., the directors of the CIA, FBI, National Intelligence, National Security Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency and National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency were asked to reaffirm their view that Moscow’s election meddling has continued since the election of President Trump. They did so unanimously.

 

“Frankly, the United States is under attack,” Dan Coats, the director of National Intelligence, said at the start of Tuesday’s hearing. “Under attack by entities that are using cyber to penetrate virtually every major action that takes place in the United States.”

 

“Influence operations, especially through cyber means, will remain a significant threat to U.S. interests,” Coats continued. “Russia probably will be the most capable and aggressive source of this threat in 2018.”

 

The director warned that the Kremlin will continue to use “sympathetic” spokesmen to advance its disinformation agenda, pushing propaganda, social media, “false-flag personas” and other means of influence “to try to exacerbate social and political fissures in the United States.”

 

“There should be no doubt that Russia perceives its past operations as successful,” Coats added.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 12:15 PM)
Thanks for the link. The rest of this thread can burn.

No problem. Agreed.

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