fathom Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldsox said: Shields had more than one horrific start before the Tatis trade, IIRC. I'm surprised some intrepid Chicago reporter doesn't make a public issue of this trade. Or, did someone do this? More like no one truly cares about the Sox in the Chicago media, which is example 500 of why Hahn still kept his job somehow. I think the Chicago media had better things to do after the 2016 regular season ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 hour ago, fathom said: Did Preller hide the box score of Shields last start before the trade? Shields was having a very good season aside from one bad start (2 IP, 10 R) which inflated his stats. He had a 3.06 ERA outside of that one start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: Shields was having a very good season aside from one bad start (2 IP, 10 R) which inflated his stats. He had a 3.06 ERA outside of that one start. The Padres owner had publicly called out Shields, by name, for being unprepared for the year right after that 10 R start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Of course, Hahn gave an injured pitcher, Johnson, as part of the deal. Still have no idea how Preller convinced our boy to throw in Tatis, who had just received $800,000 or so from Sox as signing bonus. You can shake the dice up as much as you want, Hahn still got fleeced, baseless slander notwithstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 (edited) Shields' velocity was also down. How many scouts, if any, did the Sox have in Safeco for his last start? They should have known that from their readings. Regardless of how well he was pitching, this should have been nothing more than a salary dump. There is no way you give up a legit prospect in this situation. Not to mention your top international signee. Edited July 9, 2018 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ScootsMcGoots Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Was literally just going to post this. I lol'd when I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 Yeah, that's why people shouldn't get too wound up with reports and quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Jose Abreu said: Wasn't the prevailing thought that Rosenthal was a KW mouthpiece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, ptatc said: Wasn't the prevailing thought that Rosenthal was a KW mouthpiece? No, that was Nightengale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 12:15 AM, Timmy U said: The blame for Shields is wishful thinking on the part of the front office. They got off to a blistering start, then they gave it all back similar to this year’s Mets. They chose to believe that they could somehow contend rather than looking at the evidence that the team just wasn’t that good. Even if Shields had been good, the trade would have been disastrous. The fact that he was bad is just the cherry on top. I remember that the details of the trade leaked out and Keith Law was like “Nooooo!” He had scouts from other orgs telling him that, were he eligible for the draft, He Who Shall Not Be Named would have been picked 1-1. We ought to hire those scouts. The entire Shields trade was a fucking travesty, and the moment anyone in that organization had the stupid idea to trade for him, they, and all their co-workers should have been fired on the spot for even thinking stupid things. It was so moronically stupid that I actually didn't believe that the rumors were real; I thought my scrubs fans buddies were messing with me, so I paid it little-to-no attention. Until it happened. About the bolded, I'm not picking on YOU, but that whole phrase is fucking stupid. This front office has earned every scrap of criticism, scorn, ridicule, and disdain that they've caused for themselves, this team, and this fandom. Using that phrase lets those imbeciles "off the hook" a bit, IMHO. I'd love whoever came up with that phrase to actually ask Hahn & KW WTF those morons were thinking, rather than using "kid gloves" on them. [If memory serves, I think it was some media type or blogger type who gives KW, Hahn, et. al a pass by inventing the bolded phrase.] On balance, I think this is why many fans here are impatient with this process: The same short-bus MFers that crapped their pants as Front Office types for nearly two decades [and gave away TATIS for a pittance] are supposed to be entrusted to un-fuck this team. Houston and the scrubs fired the morons that screwed up their teams, and brought in professionals that could actually do the job, and the results spoke for themselves. I just don't think we should be so easy on people who were too dumb to see the Tatis-for-Shields trade as being a good idea. YMMV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: The entire Shields trade was a fucking travesty, and the moment anyone in that organization had the stupid idea to trade for him, they, and all their co-workers should have been fired on the spot for even thinking stupid things. It was so moronically stupid that I actually didn't believe that the rumors were real; I thought my scrubs fans buddies were messing with me, so I paid it little-to-no attention. Until it happened. About the bolded, I'm not picking on YOU, but that whole phrase is fucking stupid. This front office has earned every scrap of criticism, scorn, ridicule, and disdain that they've caused for themselves, this team, and this fandom. Using that phrase lets those imbeciles "off the hook" a bit, IMHO. I'd love whoever came up with that phrase to actually ask Hahn & KW WTF those morons were thinking, rather than using "kid gloves" on them. [If memory serves, I think it was some media type or blogger type who gives KW, Hahn, et. al a pass by inventing the bolded phrase.] On balance, I think this is why many fans here are impatient with this process: The same short-bus MFers that crapped their pants as Front Office types for nearly two decades [and gave away TATIS for a pittance] are supposed to be entrusted to un-fuck this team. Houston and the scrubs fired the morons that screwed up their teams, and brought in professionals that could actually do the job, and the results spoke for themselves. I just don't think we should be so easy on people who were too dumb to see the Tatis-for-Shields trade as being a good idea. YMMV. I love you Two Gun Pete. I should read this over and over when I'm mad at the pathetic state of the White Sox. If Tatis is a star, I said "if," it will go down as the second worse trade in Chicago history (Broglio for Brock). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Ryan LaMarre joins up from MN. Could stay with the Sox depending on Avi's status. Was filling in for Buxton with OPS in the 600s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: The entire Shields trade was a fucking travesty, and the moment anyone in that organization had the stupid idea to trade for him, they, and all their co-workers should have been fired on the spot for even thinking stupid things. It was so moronically stupid that I actually didn't believe that the rumors were real; I thought my scrubs fans buddies were messing with me, so I paid it little-to-no attention. Until it happened. About the bolded, I'm not picking on YOU, but that whole phrase is fucking stupid. This front office has earned every scrap of criticism, scorn, ridicule, and disdain that they've caused for themselves, this team, and this fandom. Using that phrase lets those imbeciles "off the hook" a bit, IMHO. I'd love whoever came up with that phrase to actually ask Hahn & KW WTF those morons were thinking, rather than using "kid gloves" on them. [If memory serves, I think it was some media type or blogger type who gives KW, Hahn, et. al a pass by inventing the bolded phrase.] On balance, I think this is why many fans here are impatient with this process: The same short-bus MFers that crapped their pants as Front Office types for nearly two decades [and gave away TATIS for a pittance] are supposed to be entrusted to un-fuck this team. Houston and the scrubs fired the morons that screwed up their teams, and brought in professionals that could actually do the job, and the results spoke for themselves. I just don't think we should be so easy on people who were too dumb to see the Tatis-for-Shields trade as being a good idea. YMMV. Shields may have been an unwise risk but Tatis was not a highly ranked prospect. We got out-scouted you could say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, greg775 said: I love you Two Gun Pete. I should read this over and over when I'm mad at the pathetic state of the White Sox. If Tatis is a star, I said "if," it will go down as the second worse trade in Chicago history (Broglio for Brock). Actually, you are wrong. IF, as you said, IF Tatis is a star, it will be the worst trade in Chi history. Not second worst. Remember, Brock had a couple of years with the Cubs, and Broglio had some success with Cards prior to trade. Without a crystal ball, there was a slight argument for the trade. Very slight. Of course, Broglio was hurt and Cubs were too stupid to see that, and Brock was still very young, and it is now history. Everyone knew Shields was hurt and had no chance. Tatis trade will probably surpass the Brock trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, pcq said: Shields may have been an unwise risk but Tatis was not a highly ranked prospect. We got out-scouted you could say. He was unranked because he had not played yet. We gave him $800,000ish bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, oldsox said: He was unranked because he had not played yet. We gave him $800,000ish bonus. You are comparing Tatis to a Hall of Famer. Not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, pcq said: Shields may have been an unwise risk but Tatis was not a highly ranked prospect. We got out-scouted you could say. Nah, they thought that THAT crappy 2016 team, with THAT crappy roster, and THAT crappy manager had a snowball's chance in hell to compete. THEN, they thought that a 33 year old SP in steep decline was the "missing piece" to help that cavalcade of bad "over the top." All of that was about as stoopid as attaching jumper cables to your nuts. Trading ANYTHING beyond salary relief to get that bad asset was as stoopid as attaching the other end of the jumper cables to a fully-charged car battery. Edited July 10, 2018 by Two-Gun Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 55 minutes ago, oldsox said: He was unranked because he had not played yet. We gave him $800,000ish bonus. That’s not exactly a huge bonus. He wasn’t even our largest signing that period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: That’s not exactly a huge bonus. He wasn’t even our largest signing that period. Big enough to give him at least one year of OB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Hey guys -- any updated rumors/thoughts on when Eloy might see the big league roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Hey guys -- any updated rumors/thoughts on when Eloy might see the big league roster? He's still on the DL I think which is going to set him back. Personally I hope he stays in Charlotte for the season now and keeps getting experience. No need to start his service time clock now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: He's still on the DL I think which is going to set him back. Personally I hope he stays in Charlotte for the season now and keeps getting experience. No need to start his service time clock now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 White Sox now just 13 runs behind Balt for second worst RS/RA number in the game. KC still far ahead. Basically, Balt has been much more effective at losing, the anti-Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 15 hours ago, iWiN4PreP said: Hey guys -- any updated rumors/thoughts on when Eloy might see the big league roster? Next May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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