wrathofhahn Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Eloy? Moncada? Giolito? Kopech? With young players scared of the market might be time to start locking some guys on longterm deals. Particularly Eloy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 03:05 PM) Eloy? Moncada? Giolito? Kopech? With young players scared of the market might be time to start locking some guys on longterm deals. Particularly Eloy. Interesting but I'd like to see more Maybe Yoan and Gio by year's end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) Yes. Moncada and Eloy for sure. The risk is so tiny. Edited March 29, 2018 by Sox-35th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Any of them who will sign whenever they will sign. Moncada, I seriously doubt he would sign. Ditto Robert. Dudes already have made what, $30 million in signing bonuses each? So the next $20 million guaranteed isn't a big deal to either of them compared to the 9 figure free agent deal down the line? I'd pay Eloy right now. I'd probably pay the pitchers in the bigs right now if they were willing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 01:24 PM) Interesting but I'd like to see more Maybe Yoan and Gio by year's end Moncada has already received set for life money and he debuted with the Sox as the best prospect in baseball. It's impossible to know for sure, but I could envision someone in his situation being unable to sign away free agent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 02:27 PM) Any of them who will sign whenever they will sign. Moncada, I seriously doubt he would sign. Ditto Robert. Dudes already have made what, $30 million in signing bonuses each? So the next $20 million guaranteed isn't a big deal to either of them compared to the 9 figure free agent deal down the line? I'd pay Eloy right now. I'd probably pay the pitchers in the bigs right now if they were willing. This is something i had not considered. That being said, i would still try, but you're right they won't bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I think the one they should try extending now is Rodon. His talent is phenomenal and he has ace potential, but he has so much uncertainty to him right now. I know he's a Boras client, but this might be a time you could get him to agree to a team friendly extension in exchange for some certainty to his future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 02:37 PM) I think the one they should try extending now is Rodon. His talent is phenomenal and he has ace potential, but he has so much uncertainty to him right now. I know he's a Boras client, but this might be a time you could get him to agree to a team friendly extension in exchange for some certainty to his future. Yeah I think this one would be correct. I'm on board with trading or extending rodon this year, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Nobody mentioned Avi Garcia...the most relevant for present discussion. I wouldn't be totally opposed to Leury or Yolmer if you could get a bargain deal done. But neither of those guys, nor Davidson, would be on the list of front office priorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 03:02 PM) Nobody mentioned Avi Garcia...the most relevant for present discussion. I wouldn't be totally opposed to Leury or Yolmer if you could get a bargain deal done. But neither of those guys, nor Davidson, would be on the list of front office priorities. Caulfield? Is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I know this came up on the temp board, but I will share my answer. There is zero doubt in my mind they have gone to these kids with proposals in the hope of getting things worked out. The Sox have always been in front of these kind of deals They just signed one last year with Tim Anderson. It does take two to tango though. I will also say that a guy has zero lack of confidence like a Yoan Moncada won't be the type of guy to sign a deal like this. Same with Kopech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Davidson, haha... Hopefully he doesn’t end up like Tuffy Rhodes or Chris Shelton after today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 We have our young guys locked in for 5 or 6 years at non crazy salaries, even with ARB. That will be it for our window as we'll have to replace a few with young guys we draft etc. The good news is we'll have Abreu, Garcia, Shields, and Anderson's contracts off the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 06:01 PM) We have our young guys locked in for 5 or 6 years at non crazy salaries, even with ARB. That will be it for our window as we'll have to replace a few with young guys we draft etc. The good news is we'll have Abreu, Garcia, Shields, and Anderson's contracts off the books. In case you missed it, Anderson signed a long-term deal for around $25 million...so you're stuck with him. Under terms of the deal announced on Tuesday, the 23-year-old Anderson will receive $850,000 this season, $1 million in 2018, $1.4 million in 2019, $4 million in 2020, $7.25 million in 2021 and $9.5 million in 2022. The White Sox hold club options for 2023 at $12.5 million and 2024 at $14 million. If either option is declined, Anderson receives a $1 million buyout. dailyherald.com Edited March 30, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 08:14 PM) In case you missed it, Anderson signed a long-term deal for around $25 million...so you're stuck with him. Under terms of the deal announced on Tuesday, the 23-year-old Anderson will receive $850,000 this season, $1 million in 2018, $1.4 million in 2019, $4 million in 2020, $7.25 million in 2021 and $9.5 million in 2022. The White Sox hold club options for 2023 at $12.5 million and 2024 at $14 million. If either option is declined, Anderson receives a $1 million buyout. dailyherald.com Our window as I said is 5 years, which would end in 2023. We hold club options for Tim that very year and he could be off our books if he hasn't earned the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 03:02 PM) Nobody mentioned Avi Garcia...the most relevant for present discussion. I wouldn't be totally opposed to Leury or Yolmer if you could get a bargain deal done. But neither of those guys, nor Davidson, would be on the list of front office priorities. Of Avi continues his tear, the Sox should trade him before the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 07:01 PM) We have our young guys locked in for 5 or 6 years at non crazy salaries, even with ARB. That will be it for our window as we'll have to replace a few with young guys we draft etc. The good news is we'll have Abreu, Garcia, Shields, and Anderson's contracts off the books. I would say that only Shields belongs on that "good news" list. And yes Avi should be moved if a premium offer is made; Sox have some depth at his position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Mar 30, 2018 -> 08:35 AM) I would say that only Shields belongs on that "good news" list. And yes Avi should be moved if a premium offer is made; Sox have some depth at his position. Another way of thinking about this is that Avi might sign a long-term extension at a 15-25% discount due to defensive limitations and keeping his size in check will always be issues that slide him more in the direction players that get most of their value from offense (unless he can continue to rack up outfield assists with his arm.). Plus, he feels undoubtedly feels more comfortable/relaxed around so many Hispanic players and coaches. Other than Jimenez, who do we feel “pretty confident” about at a corner oufield spot as a long-term solution? Delmonico? Cordell? Luis Robert, if Engel is actually for real this year in CF? Leury? Rutherford really looked lost (still) this spring hitting 95+ fastballs and has a bit of a bat wrap issue to deal with... Edited March 30, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 30, 2018 -> 10:57 AM) Other than Jimenez, who do we feel “pretty confident” about at a corner oufield spot as a long-term solution? Delmonico? Cordell? Luis Robert, if Engel is actually for real this year in CF? Leury? Robert. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Mar 30, 2018 -> 01:46 AM) Our window as I said is 5 years, which would end in 2023. We hold club options for Tim that very year and he could be off our books if he hasn't earned the contract. The window hasn't even opened up yet bud Robert, Jiminez, Kopech, etc. will be entering their prime in 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Mar 30, 2018 -> 09:12 AM) Of Avi continues his tear, the Sox should trade him before the deadline. Maybe But if he continues to be a star player, why trade him? I know we have Jimenez and Robert as OF locks of the future with Engel/Leury both flashing starter potential and Cordell coming up soon as well But a long term OF of Avi, Robert, and Jimenez is insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 30, 2018 -> 10:57 AM) Other than Jimenez, who do we feel “pretty confident”about at a corner oufield spot as a long-term solution? Delmonico? Cordell? Luis Robert, if Engel is actually for real this year in CF? Leury? I actually am not confident about Jimenez as a long-term OF. I think he'll stick in RF/LF for a few years, but eventually, the defense won't cut it and he'll be a 1B/DH (and a damn good one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Mar 30, 2018 -> 11:11 AM) Maybe But if he continues to be a star player, why trade him? I know we have Jimenez and Robert as OF locks of the future with Engel/Leury both flashing starter potential and Cordell coming up soon as well But a long term OF of Avi, Robert, and Jimenez is insane Because you have options in the OF, he will be a FA just as the Sox window is opening, he is a poor defender, and he could pull back multiple pieces that could be contributors to the Sox next playoff team. The Sox are not going to be able to extend everyone so they are going to have to pick and choose, and Avi probably needs to go for the Sox to realize some sort of return on investment for him and keep payroll open to add in a spot where the Sox may need FA help in their contention window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 30, 2018 -> 03:46 PM) Because you have options in the OF, he will be a FA just as the Sox window is opening, he is a poor defender, and he could pull back multiple pieces that could be contributors to the Sox next playoff team. The Sox are not going to be able to extend everyone so they are going to have to pick and choose, and Avi probably needs to go for the Sox to realize some sort of return on investment for him and keep payroll open to add in a spot where the Sox may need FA help in their contention window. Avi was an above average defender during 2017 by most metrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2018 -> 04:19 PM) Avi was an above average defender during 2017 by most metrics. Rated decent in 2016 as well, he hasn’t been a poor defender for a couple years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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