Moncada

[Dam8610]

It's scary to think that if he cut his K rate to 20%, he might actually have legitimate 10 WAR potential. It's also staring me in the face based on his current numbers.

[chitownsportsfan]

38 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:

It's scary to think that if he cut his K rate to 20%, he might actually have legitimate 10 WAR potential. It's also staring me in the face based on his current numbers.

He has now played 81 games in MLB, all of them before his 23rd birthday.  He has produced 2.1 fWAR in those games.

ZIPS is now convinced he's an above average starter true talent and as you said you can squint and see a future where a 10 WAR season -- say around 2021 -- isn't out of the question.  If he slashes 280/400/530 and is plus 10 runs at 2B he's getting close, that would probably be about 8 fWAR.

He's a fun guy to dream on, you can see why he was #1 overall for a minute.

[Dam8610]

23 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

He has now played 81 games in MLB, all of them before his 23rd birthday.  He has produced 2.1 fWAR in those games.

ZIPS is now convinced he's an above average starter true talent and as you said you can squint and see a future where a 10 WAR season -- say around 2021 -- isn't out of the question.  If he slashes 280/400/530 and is plus 10 runs at 2B he's getting close, that would probably be about 8 fWAR.

He's a fun guy to dream on, you can see why he was #1 overall for a minute.

He's currently on pace for 8 fWAR with a nearly 40% K rate. He likely won't get there with a nearly 40% K rate, but it just goes to show how much he's doing and how exciting he is when he's not striking out. Halve the K rate, and he gets very interesting.

[chitownsportsfan]

 

6 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:

He's currently on pace for 8 fWAR with a nearly 40% K rate. He likely won't get there with a nearly 40% K rate, but it just goes to show how much he's doing and how exciting he is when he's not striking out. Halve the K rate, and he gets very interesting.

If he finishes with more fWAR than Chris Sale this year I think we owe Rick Hahn a round of beer at next year's Soxfest.  Sale currently has a .3 fWAR lead.  Not a great comparison because fWAR is based on FIP which isn't based 100% on what actually happened but good enough for our purposes.

Both teams did really well from that trade.

Edited April 24, 2018 by chitownsportsfan

[southsider2k5]

 

[Balta1701]

So yeah I'll admit I just had to look up what a Franchy Cordero was. 

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

So yeah I'll admit I just had to look up what a Franchy Cordero was. 

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

So Moncada and Abreu right up there and 3 guys I was salivating over this offseason Moustakas, Ohtani and JD Martinez in the list and Yelich who the Sox supposedly went after but lost out to the Brewers on.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/yo-yo-and-big-elephant-now-show-south-side-fans-have-been-waiting

Yo-Yo and The Big Elephant (Abreu)

Not to be confused with BJ and the Bear.

I saw that comment on the "Big Elephant" on whitesox.com  I wonder if he was messing with Areu because of Abreu giving him a little grief about not getting the cycle.

 

Would be really funny if he just made that up to screw with Abreu.

[TheBlackSox8]

54 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

 

Dude has a 485' homerun?  Damn...doesn't look like he has it in him, surprising power.

[Jose Abreu]

59 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

So Moncada and Abreu right up there and 3 guys I was salivating over this offseason Moustakas, Ohtani and JD Martinez in the list and Yelich who the Sox supposedly went after but lost out to the Brewers on.

The Sox went after Yelich?

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said:

The Sox went after Yelich?

 

[Jose Abreu]

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

Oh, that's what he meant. The way the post was written, I thought he meant we were the 2nd best offer or something. 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Jose Abreu

[OmarComing25]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

We've been talking about Moncada's exit velocity so much that I feel like Abreu being third on that list is kind of being lost in the shuffle. Hell he's batting .308/.372/.577 and he's actually been very unlucky according to his xwOBA. He's been a complete monster this year.

[Balta1701]

9 minutes ago, OmarComing25 said:

We've been talking about Moncada's exit velocity so much that I feel like Abreu being third on that list is kind of being lost in the shuffle. Hell he's batting .308/.372/.577 and he's actually been very unlucky according to his xwOBA. He's been a complete monster this year.

And apparently Welington Castillo is pretty darn good too at exit velocity right now too.

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, OmarComing25 said:

We've been talking about Moncada's exit velocity so much that I feel like Abreu being third on that list is kind of being lost in the shuffle. Hell he's batting .308/.372/.577 and he's actually been very unlucky according to his xwOBA. He's been a complete monster this year.

Realistically, this might be the best start to an Abreu season that we have seen.  He is almost always terrible in April, and then gets rolling when it warms up.

[Jose Abreu]

1 hour ago, OmarComing25 said:

We've been talking about Moncada's exit velocity so much that I feel like Abreu being third on that list is kind of being lost in the shuffle. Hell he's batting .308/.372/.577 and he's actually been very unlucky according to his xwOBA. He's been a complete monster this year.

Is it safe to say he's been figured out?

[greg775]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Realistically, this might be the best start to an Abreu season that we have seen.  He is almost always terrible in April, and then gets rolling when it warms up.

I won't look at all the stats, but Abreu is quietly putting up what has to be one of the best five-year stretches in Sox history. .317, 36, 107; .290, 30, 101; .293, 25, 100; .304, 33, 102; and .308, 6, 12 so far this year. Knock on wood for this season.

[chitownsportsfan]

https://twitter.com/TJHannam10/status/988602738740219904

It's obvious Yoan has a very powerful, compact swing.  I've long touted it as basically a carbon copy of Robbie Cano, at least young Cano.  This has been bore out in the exit velocity stats coming off his bat.  It's a short, violent swing.

His problem on 94+ heat imo is that he cheats to recognize changeups and breaking stuff, especially deep in the count, because before MLB his swing was so damn good it didn't matter if he wasn't looking fastball he could catch up to it.

Probably in AAA he got challenged some this way but not like he does in MLB, especially late innning with the power relievers.

He's sporting a  14% walk rate and a K% of 38%.  A wRC+ of 133.  1.1 fWAR.  He's probably good now, not just in the future.  Yea he's going to struggle to hit above 250 this year but with his talent all over the diamond and that power and eye it really doesn't matter much for now.  As he matures, you'd expect his hit tool to improve.  If it does, look out.  He'll be one of the top 10 players in MLB.  

Edited April 25, 2018 by chitownsportsfan

[Wanne]

7 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

So yeah I'll admit I just had to look up what a Franchy Cordero was. 

You should've seen the dinger he hit against the Dbacks last week....good lord.  Hit the right speaker on the scoreboard there.  Not sure if you're familiar with Chase Field...but damn...it was impressive!

[caulfield12]

Thanks Tim Anderson, for screwing up Yoan's defensive ratings, lol...

I'm starting to buy into Benetti and Stone's "team error" concept.  Anderson (wrongly) cut across in front of Moncada's path and screened him and it ended up allowing Vogelbach to be safe at first to load the bases, but the error went to Yoan when he was really the only one in a good position to make the play...but is the one who actually "touched" the ball, so the physical error goes to him (instead of mental error to Anderson.)

Communication.  Youth.  Teamwork.  Hopefully it will all come together in time.

Edited April 25, 2018 by caulfield12

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

On 4/15/2018 at 1:17 PM, tlongo81@gmail.com said:

Albies has a 1.5% BB rate to go with a 16.4% K rate. His offense is being fueled by some flukey power numbers. I’ll happily take Moncada and his swing & miss issues over Albies any day of the week. Development is not linear and I would expect Albies’ game to translate quicker to the pros than Yoan’s. And I say that as an Albies fan.

 

LMAO. Moncada has a career 35% strike out rate. He will be out of baseball in a couple years if he can't lower that number.

 

Albies has already put up 2.3 WAR in his career. Moncada is at 1.5. However, Albies is almost 2 years younger than Moncada!!!!

 

No one said development is linear but Albies already looks at home in the big leagues wheras Moncada is a negative war player so far in 08.

 

You might happily take Moncada over Albies but I'm pretty sure Hahn would get told to get lost if he proposed a straight up trade of the two.

I have a feeling this post will look quite silly by season’s end. The Albies train is already running out of steam. fWAR down to 0.8 for the season compared to Moncada’s 1.1 and it’s still April...

[Chicago White Sox]

5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

I have a feeling this post will look quite silly by season’s end. The Albies train is already running out of steam. fWAR down to 0.8 for the season compared to Moncada’s 1.1 and it’s still April...

Albies is a hell of a player, but we’re seeing first-hand why Moncada was considered a generational talent by many evaluators.  It’s obviously going to take some time for it all to come together (it’s already starting to), but no sane GM would take Albies over Yoan simply because of a slow start.  And to think he’d potentially be out of the game of baseball because of a high K rate is simply ludicrous.

[Dam8610]

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Albies is a hell of a player, but we’re seeing first-hand why Moncada was considered a generational talent by many evaluators.  It’s obviously going to take some time for it all to come together (it’s already starting to), but no sane GM would take Albies over Yoan simply because of a slow start.  And to think he’d potentially be out of the game of baseball because of a high K rate is simply ludicrous.

Not if he can put up 8 fWAR with a nearly 40% K rate. Once he cuts that down (and I think he will, significantly), the sky is the limit for what he'll be able to do on a baseball field.

[Wanne]

Atlantic article on switching "Sybil" Moncada for a little perspective into it of just how difficult it really is.

https://theathletic.com/328182/2018/04/25/how-yoan-moncada-is-working-to-flip-the-switch-at-the-plate/?source=email