chitownsportsfan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He is also one you have to watch to get what his impact looks like. He changes the game just by being in the line up., by bWAR, which likes their defense a bit more, Moncada and TA are both at 2.1. They easily lead the team. The Sox have a lot of shitty players. Moncada and TA are not even close to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: by bWAR, which likes their defense a bit more, Moncada and TA are both at 2.1. They easily lead the team. The Sox have a lot of shitty players. Moncada and TA are not even close to that. All of this is 100% true. What is scary is that they are putting up these numbers while raw as hell. They both have tons of room to grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 10:07 PM, ptatc said: This is why they need to go to the olympic model of blood testing before they enter the sport to get a baseline. That way they do t need to test for anything. They just test to seeif the blood chemistry has changed. I was under the impression that this is what they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s scary that this kid is nearly a 3 WAR player right now despite the offensive flaws he came into the league with. He’s going to be fucking stud in a year or two no matter how impatient Tom Longo & the others may be. Where is Moncada nearly a 3 WAR player at? Fangraphs has him at 1.5 on the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, tlongo81@gmail.com said: Where is Moncada nearly a 3 WAR player at? Fangraphs has him at 1.5 on the season. In his ~600 ML PAs which equates to about 1 full season, he's put up 2.6 fWAR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: In his ~600 ML PAs which equates to about 1 full season, he's put up 2.6 fWAR. Okay. Thanks for clarifying. Thought we were just talking about this season. 550 at bats and only a 2.6 war is not that impressive really. Albies has almost an equal amount of at bats and is double that in fwar. The Torres kid from NY has 240 at bats and already has close to 2.0fwar. Some real good young blood at second base these days. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, tlongo81@gmail.com said: Okay. Thanks for clarifying. Thought we were just talking about this season. 550 at bats and only a 2.6 war is not that impressive really. Albies has almost an equal amount of at bats and is double that in fwar. The Torres kid from NY has 240 at bats and already has close to 2.0fwar. Some real good young blood at second base these days. You genuinely enjoy being all doom and gloom, don't you? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 hours ago, tlongo81@gmail.com said: Okay. Thanks for clarifying. Thought we were just talking about this season. 550 at bats and only a 2.6 war is not that impressive really. Albies has almost an equal amount of at bats and is double that in fwar. The Torres kid from NY has 240 at bats and already has close to 2.0fwar. Some real good young blood at second base these days. 8 hours ago, Dam8610 said: You genuinely enjoy being all doom and gloom, don't you? I'm not sure how positively quoting some statistics of some other players = doom and gloom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Juschill said: I'm not sure how positively quoting some statistics of some other players = doom and gloom. This is easy. When you are only looking for the negative ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Gleyber Torres or bust!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Juschill said: I'm not sure how positively quoting some statistics of some other players = doom and gloom. Because those two kids being awesome right out of the gate does NOT mean Moncada hasn't been good so far or won't be a great player with time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Because those two kids being awesome right out of the gate does NOT mean Moncada hasn't been good so far or won't be a great player with time. But I don't see that the OP has said he won't be good. Granted I could have missed that post. I went back and looked and he's said that the two aforementioned players have performed better this year and he agreed with another poster that Ray Durham would be a reasonable comp and that he won't be as good as Mike Trout (not many will be). That sure doesn't seem like doom and gloom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Juschill said: But I don't see that the OP has said he won't be good. Granted I could have missed that post. I went back and looked and he's said that the two aforementioned players have performed better this year and he agreed with another poster that Ray Durham would be a reasonable comp and that he won't be as good as Mike Trout (not many will be). That sure doesn't seem like doom and gloom. I'd recommend reading his post history, it's literally doom & gloom all the time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) I do like that the @longo fella downvotes everyone. It's like Reddit in here. And stop handing out trophies all willy nilly, God damn it. Edited July 20, 2018 by TaylorStSox 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Interesting FG projection from a little more than one year ago... https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/projecting-yoan-moncada/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmb35 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) On 7/20/2018 at 9:07 AM, Juschill said: I'm not sure how positively quoting some statistics of some other players = doom and gloom. Uhh "positively quoted" stats of 2 random players to comparatively say that the actual player being discussed is not as good as said players (and implying he never will be). If it ain't doom and gloom, it's being a pessimist to the fucking extreme for no reason. Edited July 30, 2018 by Chisoxmb35 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chisoxmb35 said: Uhh you "positively quoted" stats of 2 random players to comparatively say that the actual player being discussed is not as good as said players (and implying he never will be). If it ain't doom and gloom, it's being a pessimist to the fucking extreme for no reason. Please point me to where I quoted stats of two players and made a comparison. Thanks in advance. Try reading the entire thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Yoan Moncada Mahalanobis Comps Rank Name KATOH+ Proj. WAR Actual WAR 1 Ian Stewart 8.5 3.1 2 Andrew McCutchen 14.3 34.5 3 Melvin Upton 12.6 22.4 4 D’Angelo Jimenez 13.2 7.4 5 Alex Gonzalez 14.0 6.2 6 Bobby Crosby 11.5 8.1 7 Andy Marte 13.8 0.3 8 Grady Sizemore 8.3 29.4 9 Jim Thome 12.0 27.8 10 Sean Burroughs 15.0 5.4 I'm sure everyone will love with Jimenez comp, lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 2:13 PM, Jose Abreu said: And it explains why those who don't like him are often older/traditional I would say the opposite. The "old" stats of 21 HR and 66 BRI from a 2B,would be pretty impressive. However the "new" stats of .315 OBP and .719 OPS are less than impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 3:03 PM, Jake said: I was under the impression that this is what they do now. In baseball they do blood testing but not the baseline testing. They still look for certain substances but do it through blood testing not urine samples. In the Olympic format they don't necessarily test for specific substances they just check on how the current blood sample compares to the baseline for that individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, ptatc said: I would say the opposite. The "old" stats of 21 HR and 66 BRI from a 2B,would be pretty impressive. However the "new" stats of .315 OBP and .719 OPS are less than impressive. That's true, but I was getting at batting average/errors versus WAR/DRS/range stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 hours ago, ptatc said: In baseball they do blood testing but not the baseline testing. They still look for certain substances but do it through blood testing not urine samples. In the Olympic format they don't necessarily test for specific substances they just check on how the current blood sample compares to the baseline for that individual. So the following is something different/less stringent than what you're talking about? Quote Also, effective at the beginning of the 2013 season, both the MLB and MLB Players Association have agreed to use a "longitudinal profile program." From the press release: In addition, beginning in the 2013 season, the parties have authorized the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)-accredited Montreal Laboratory to establish a longitudinal profile program, in which a Player's baseline Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T/E) ratio and other data will be maintained by the laboratory, with strict protections for confidentiality, in order to enhance its ability to detect the use of Testosterone and other prohibited substances. The laboratory will automatically conduct Carbon Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (IRMS) analysis on all specimens that vary materially from a Player's baseline values. The laboratory also will increase the number of random IRMS analysis it conducts on specimens. The longitudinal program being implemented by the parties will be one of the most significant programs of its kind in the world. from https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-introduces-random-unannounced-in-season-hgh-testing/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Jake said: So the following is something different/less stringent than what you're talking about? from https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-introduces-random-unannounced-in-season-hgh-testing/ The problem is when they start it. I could be wrong but my understanding is that it doesnt start until they enter the union which is not until they reach the MLB. If they come in using PED then they will never test positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 8 hours ago, ptatc said: The problem is when they start it. I could be wrong but my understanding is that it doesnt start until they enter the union which is not until they reach the MLB. If they come in using PED then they will never test positive. I always thought it was next to impossible to keep the ratio both steady enough and low enough, but that might be something I heard from some gym dopers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Yoan Moncada wRC+ =95 Alen Hanson wRC+= 108 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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