Whitesoxa6 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Moncada has looked fine at third if not elite defensively. Once he learns to stop double clutching and making better throws, he should be an elite defensive 3rd baseman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 What would it take to lock this guy up thru the 2025 season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: What would it take to lock this guy up thru the 2025 season? He already got his life changing money. He doesn't need the guarantee, so not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, mqr said: He already got his life changing money. He doesn't need the guarantee, so not gonna happen. Why not? It’s happened with others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Why not? It’s happened with others. He's not going to take a sweetheart deal like Anderson and Eloy because he already has 25 million in the bank. If he's not going to take a team friendly deal, it's not worth the risk. Acuna was only given a $100,000 bonus when he signed. There's a world of difference in their situations. Edited April 2, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, mqr said: He's not going to take a sweetheart deal like Anderson and Eloy because he already has 25 million in the bank. If he's not going to take a team friendly deal, it's not worth the risk. Acuna was only given a $100,000 bonus when he signed. There's a world of difference in their situations. Why then would Bogearts, Goldy, Altuve, Hicks, etc. accept long term extensions? They all earned life changing money before signing their extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Why then would Bogearts, Goldy, Altuve, Hicks, etc. accept long term extensions? They all earned life changing money before signing their extensions. All of those guys are/were proven assets on contract years and were given market rate-ish deals. Again, completely different different situation. If you want to through Moncada 120 million fully guaranteed I'm sure he'd take it, but the Sox aren't going to do that, and they would be really dumb to. Edited April 2, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Why then would Bogearts, Goldy, Altuve, Hicks, etc. accept long term extensions? They all earned life changing money before signing their extensions. Because all of those were nearing FA when they signed their deals, and FA is an absolute clusterfuck right now for the players. Very different. Edited April 2, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Because 3/4 were nearing FA when they signed their deals, and FA is an absolute clusterfuck right now for the players. Jean Segura, Wil Myers, Brandon Belt, Mike Trout, plenty of guys have signed extensions before hitting free agency even though they made millions prior to the extension. What amount of money thru 2025 season would be enticing enough for Moncada to sign while not exposing the WS to a risky contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Jean Segura, Wil Myers, Brandon Belt, Mike Trout, plenty of guys have signed extensions before hitting free agency even though they made millions prior to the extension. What amount of money thru 2025 season would be enticing enough for Moncada to sign while not exposing the WS to a risky contract? Who knows, but I think Moncada would prefer to bet on himself via the arbitration process than take a team friendly team. He's already a wealthy man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, mqr said: All of those guys are/were proven assets on contract years and were given market rate-ish deals. Again, completely different different situation. If you want to through Moncada 120 million fully guaranteed I'm sure he'd take it, but the Sox aren't going to do that, and they would be really dumb to. That was my question, not whether he’d accept a sweetheart deal. What would it take to sign him thru 2025? $120M guaranteed? Seems a bit high to me. I was thinking $60M guaranteed with team options of $18-$20M in 2024 and 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Just now, ChiSox59 said: Who knows, but I think Moncada would prefer to bet on himself via the arbitration process than take a team friendly team. He's already a wealthy man. Maybe but if someone dangled another $60-70M guaranteed in front of me it would be awfully difficult to pass up even if I already had $25M in the bank (probably far less than that after accounting for taxes but that’s besides the point)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Maybe but if someone dangled another $60-70M guaranteed in front of me it would be awfully difficult to pass up even if I already had $25M in the bank (probably far less than that after accounting for taxes but that’s besides the point)... Say the Sox offered him a 7 year $60M extension. That would buy out his remaining two pre-arb years, 3 arb years, and 2 FA years. Structure is something like this: $4M signing bonus 2019: $650k 2020: $2.5M 2021: $6M 2022: $8M 2023: $10M 2024: $13M 2025: $16M Does Yoan take that? Do the Sox gain enough by getting 2 more FA years at $15M AAV? Maybe that would be of interest for him, maybe not. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Say the Sox offered him a 7 year $60M extension. That would buy out his remaining two pre-arb years, 3 arb years, and 2 FA years. Structure is something like this: $4M signing bonus 2019: $650k 2020: $2.5M 2021: $6M 2022: $8M 2023: $10M 2024: $13M 2025: $16M Does Yoan take that? Do the Sox gain enough by getting 2 more FA years at $15M AAV? Maybe that would be of interest for him, maybe not. Who knows. That seems like it’d be a steal for the Sox. I was thinking they’d have to guarantee him ~$60M thru 2023 and then team options in the range of $18-20M. He hits free agency at age 30 if the team picks up both options, age 28 if they don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 At some point the guys who haven't extended have to be thinking that getting the FA market to themselves might be highly profitable with all of the talent locked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: That seems like it’d be a steal for the Sox. I was thinking they’d have to guarantee him ~$60M thru 2023 and then team options in the range of $18-20M. He hits free agency at age 30 if the team picks up both options, age 28 if they don’t. I don't see how guaranteeing Moncada $60M over the next 5 would make any sense. He's pretty much guaranteed to make less than that thru the arb process unless he turns into a top 10-15 player in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylo Kneehigh Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Well they sky is still up there so I think we are all fine, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 35 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Say the Sox offered him a 7 year $60M extension. That would buy out his remaining two pre-arb years, 3 arb years, and 2 FA years. Structure is something like this: $4M signing bonus 2019: $650k 2020: $2.5M 2021: $6M 2022: $8M 2023: $10M 2024: $13M 2025: $16M Does Yoan take that? Do the Sox gain enough by getting 2 more FA years at $15M AAV? Maybe that would be of interest for him, maybe not. Who knows. I'm usually conservative about money matters, but no, I wouldn't take that ever in Yoan's position. Not with $25 million in the bank. If I'm Yoan Moncada, I play out the next season, or several seasons if necessary, and I become willing to talk a 9 figure extension once I've made an all star team, not before. If he does ever break out, he's a guy who could be talking about a long term deal 3-4x as lucrative as the one you just wrote. With everyone else, you're talking about guys who have $2-5 million in the bank, maybe less, so a $25 million guarantee is life-changing money. For Moncada, $25 million is already banked, so you're not giving him enough security with that deal, he can afford to wait until he earns something higher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I'm usually conservative about money matters, but no, I wouldn't take that ever in Yoan's position. Not with $25 million in the bank. If I'm Yoan Moncada, I play out the next season, or several seasons if necessary, and I become willing to talk a 9 figure extension once I've made an all star team, not before. If he does ever break out, he's a guy who could be talking about a long term deal 3-4x as lucrative as the one you just wrote. With everyone else, you're talking about guys who have $2-5 million in the bank, maybe less, so a $25 million guarantee is life-changing money. For Moncada, $25 million is already banked, so you're not giving him enough security with that deal, he can afford to wait until he earns something higher. I agree. I was just playing along with the question posted by JUSTBELIEVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I'm usually conservative about money matters, but no, I wouldn't take that ever in Yoan's position. Not with $25 million in the bank. If I'm Yoan Moncada, I play out the next season, or several seasons if necessary, and I become willing to talk a 9 figure extension once I've made an all star team, not before. If he does ever break out, he's a guy who could be talking about a long term deal 3-4x as lucrative as the one you just wrote. With everyone else, you're talking about guys who have $2-5 million in the bank, maybe less, so a $25 million guarantee is life-changing money. For Moncada, $25 million is already banked, so you're not giving him enough security with that deal, he can afford to wait until he earns something higher. Moncada signed a $31.5M contract with the Red Sox. He has his money. Moncada is one guy that might be hard to keep around. Same with Robert, who has $26M in the bank already as well, should he become everything we hope. Out of the guys that might want security, Eloy and Lopez are the guys. Giolito's family is already wealthy, and Moncada has his money banked. Edited April 2, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) Moncada, Tatis Jr., Acuna are all close to the same players. They are not spectacular hitters. Just average hitters who K alot. They can grow but they have had the same stats their entire minor league career. If anything Moncada will pan out to be the best of those 3 players. With that said, I wouldn't pay him yet. Now Soto is a different character, I can see him possibly Hall of Fame worthy. Edited April 2, 2019 by Chisox378 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Now there is a hot take. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Jean Segura, Wil Myers, Brandon Belt, Mike Trout, plenty of guys have signed extensions before hitting free agency even though they made millions prior to the extension. What amount of money thru 2025 season would be enticing enough for Moncada to sign while not exposing the WS to a risky contract? Of course moncada would sign an extension, but probably not a 5/40 type of team friendly extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: I don't see how guaranteeing Moncada $60M over the next 5 would make any sense. He's pretty much guaranteed to make less than that thru the arb process unless he turns into a top 10-15 player in the league. Because guaranteeing that money provides the Sox with team options on him in 2024 and 2025. That’s the benefit from the Sox perspective. From Moncada’s perspective it’s $60M guaranteed. Yes, he already has money in the bank but another $60M guaranteed is (1) more than he’d make thru the arb process and (2) more than double the amount of his initial bonus. So even by a rich man’s standards, it’s a significant payday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 He's at .4 fWAR with a 249 wRC+ and a 16.5% K percentage. A soft contact rate of 7.1%. An incredible start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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