SonofaRoache Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, soxfan49 said: Moncada's in AAA? Was thinking about Robert. Brain cramp lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Just now, SonofaRoache said: Was thinking about Robert. Brain cramp lol. Even then Robert was stealing bases in A and AA. It should be an exciting next 5 years, at least offensively, with the speed of Moncada, Robert, Anderson and Madrigal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, soxfan49 said: Even then Robert was stealing bases in A and AA. It should be an exciting next 5 years, at least offensively, with the speed of Moncada, Robert, Anderson and Madrigal. Speed wins many games IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Have Sox put the brakes on Moncada, or is it just my imagination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 16 hours ago, oldsox said: Have Sox put the brakes on Moncada, or is it just my imagination? There have been sporadic reports about his knee bothering him, so I suspect they're trying to limit how much he's running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, Jake said: There have been sporadic reports about his knee bothering him, so I suspect they're trying to limit how much he's running. Yea I imagine the .900+ OPS is just fine by itself when the knees are achey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 As far as trying to offer Moncada a long term contract...I know the argument is that he already got big money when he signed with the other Sox. However, might he not be interested in being further set for life with a team that he is very comfortable with and has a nice future with a young core? I don't think that every player yearns for free agency. As it was said by someone on another thread, if Mike Trout can be extended, anyone can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, wegner said: As far as trying to offer Moncada a long term contract...I know the argument is that he already got big money when he signed with the other Sox. However, might he not be interested in being further set for life with a team that he is very comfortable with and has a nice future with a young core? I don't think that every player yearns for free agency. As it was said by someone on another thread, if Mike Trout can be extended, anyone can. If I'm a player, I don't sign anything until the next CBA. He's already set for life. If rules regarding service time change for active players, there will be gobs of money flying around to sign these guys. Edited July 15, 2019 by Eloy Jiménez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Eloy Jiménez said: If I'm a player, I don't sign anything until the next CBA. He's already set for life. If rules regarding service time change for active players, there will be gobs of money flying around to sign these guys. Very fair point. Thanks Eloy. My main point about the whole already set for life argument is that some people who are already set for life might rather sign a nice extension with a team they are already comfortable with rather than go through the process of free agency. Living up to a big contract can be easier in a city that already loves you rather than a new city like say....Philadelphia. Just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 9 hours ago, wegner said: Very fair point. Thanks Eloy. My main point about the whole already set for life argument is that some people who are already set for life might rather sign a nice extension with a team they are already comfortable with rather than go through the process of free agency. Living up to a big contract can be easier in a city that already loves you rather than a new city like say....Philadelphia. Just my opinion. They also speed the process of getting to the ML's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2019-trade-value-11-to-20/ Came in as the #18 most valuable asset in baseball according to FG. Eloy and TA were both honorable mentions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, mqr said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2019-trade-value-11-to-20/ Came in as the #18 most valuable asset in baseball according to FG. Eloy and TA were both honorable mentions Robert almost has to be in top 10 then right??? How does he not make this list of "prospects" in the HM article. Prospects Royce Lewis, SS, Twins Jo Adell, RF, Angels Bo Bichette, SS, Blue Jays Forrest Whitley, RHP, Astros Mackenzie Gore, LHP, Padres Adley Rutschman, C, Orioles Keston Hiura, 2B, Brewers Dustin May, RHP, Dodgers Casey Mize, RHP, Tigers Gavin Lux, 2B, Dodgers Brendan McKay, LHP, Rays Yordan Alvarez, DH, Astros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Robert almost has to be in top 10 then right??? How does he not make this list of "prospects" in the HM article. Well considering the following guys still have yet to be named, I'd say no. Not really sure how he hadn't ended up on the prospect listing though. I didn't think Moncada would be so high tbh. Acuña Bellinger Soto Albies Bregman Tatis Jr Vlad Jr Chapman Trout Yelich Edited July 18, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mqr said: Well considering the following guys still have yet to be named, I'd say no. Not really sure how he hadn't ended up on the prospect listing though. I didn't think Moncada would be so high tbh. Acuña Bellinger Soto Albies Bregman Tatis Jr Vlad Jr Chapman Trout Yelich No way Chapman makes the top 10 with an opt out after this season. The other 9 I would imagine are on it. I still cannot believe that contract Albies signed. Good lord. Edited July 18, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, ChiSox59 said: No way Chapman makes the top 10 with an opt out after this season. The other 9 I would imagine are on it. The infielder not the closer lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, mqr said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2019-trade-value-11-to-20/ Came in as the #18 most valuable asset in baseball according to FG. Eloy and TA were both honorable mentions Very impressive company. Not that I’m advocating it but the Sox could bring back a Sale, Eaton, or Quintana-like haul in a trade of Moncada this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just now, mqr said: The infielder not the closer lol Yes....that makes far more sense! My bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, mqr said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2019-trade-value-11-to-20/ Came in as the #18 most valuable asset in baseball according to FG. Eloy and TA were both honorable mentions Giolito and Kopech were also in the honorable mention column. Shocked by the exclusion of Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, raBBit said: Giolito and Kopech were also in the honorable mention column. Shocked by the exclusion of Robert. Eric and Kiley seem to be perfectly content on being the low man on Robert. They still don't have him in their top 20 prospects and only Wander Franco is in the top 50 among prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, TomPickle said: Eric and Kiley seem to be perfectly content on being the low man on Robert. They still don't have him in their top 20 prospects and only Wander Franco is in the top 50 among prospects. For sure. And to be clear, I Wasn't expecting Robert in the top 50 list. Given the prospects named in the honorable mention though, Robert belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-quiet-breakout/ Nothing we didn't already know, but Yoan (rate wise) has been one of the 10 best position players in MLB baseball and he's still a kid. His ceiling is a consistent top 5 talent in all of baseball. One excerpt since so many people are concerned about his base running value with the lack of steals: "The only players with a higher BsR and wRC+ than Moncada this season are Mike Trout and Christian Yelich" You get more baserunning value from taking extra bases and etc than you do for stealing bags. Also, one other interesting nugget is that Yoan Moncada is the third best hitter in all of baseball when he makes contact. Edited August 28, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-quiet-breakout/ Nothing we didn't already know, but Yoan (rate wise) has been one of the 10 best position players in MLB baseball and he's still a kid. His ceiling is a consistent top 5 talent in all of baseball. One excerpt since so many people are concerned about his base running value with the lack of steals: "The only players with a higher BsR and wRC+ than Moncada this season are Mike Trout and Christian Yelich" You get more baserunning value from taking extra bases and etc than you do for stealing bags. Also, one other interesting nugget is that Yoan Moncada is the third best hitter in all of baseball when he makes contact. Really don't get the hub bub about him not stealing more bases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 7/18/2019 at 12:12 PM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Very impressive company. Not that I’m advocating it but the Sox could bring back a Sale, Eaton, or Quintana-like haul in a trade of Moncada this winter. Glad u are not advocating this. There's no reason to get rid of players acquired during the tank years. You see the rebuild/tank job to fruition. Time to spend a lotta money on surplus free agents pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-quiet-breakout/ and he's still a kid. He turns 25 next late May so yes he's just a kid. Years 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 are the years he's expected to earn his keep. His keep is helping us reach the WS in 3 of those 5 years and winning it twice or 3 times. After that he figures to be on the decline list as far as traditional baseball goes. Unless advanced metrics changes by then and like Greg, starts to value older players. GO SOX! Tip of the cap to those of us on the board who never blasted Moncada during some of his struggles (mostly caused by the homeplate umps) last year. Some people bagged on Moncada if they'd go back and look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, mqr said: Really don't get the hub bub about him not stealing more bases. If people are honest, I think it has more to do with wanting to brag about 30/30 players than concern over his value as a player. Though I admit, I would love to brag about having a (or multiple?) 30/30 player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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