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Byron Buxton has a career 698 ops in 912 at-bats over 3+ seasons...also a former #1 prospect in baseball.

 

21—.576

22—.714

23—.727

 

Didn’t become a truly valuable player until last season, largely due to his Gold Glove defense.

 

I do have a concern that he’s never going to be a huge stolen base threat, but in modrn baseball, that risks a lot of potential injuries that are not worth taking him out of the lineup (see Luis Robert slide in ST.)

 

 

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QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 07:47 AM)
You're fooling yourself if each and everyone one of us isn't at least a little concerned over Moncada..

 

I agree, but I’m waiting until he’s played 162 games in a Sox uniform. Let’s take a look at those numbers in August, when he’s 23 and played a full year. Hopefully it’s an OPS+ over 100, and trending up. I’m expecting he’ll be fine.

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Andrew Benintendi, the "more polished" player the Red Sox refused to trade, is batting .174 with no extra base hits.

 

Please, I beg of you, forget this thread exists...cast it into a deep pit and move on with your lives.

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QUOTE (daggins @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 10:36 AM)
Andrew Benintendi, the "more polished" player the Red Sox refused to trade, is batting .174 with no extra base hits.

 

Please, I beg of you, forget this thread exists...cast it into a deep pit and move on with your lives.

 

Benintendi played 151 games last year and had a .776 OPS at the same age Moncada is now. That’s the kind of season we’re looking for from Moncada, and I don’t think it’s a lot to expect from a former #1 overall prospect. He can do it, and I expect he will.

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If Moncada hit that grand slam in Toronto this thread wouldn't exist.

 

Wow he sucked in 30 degree weather, we played 6 games.. he's 22

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QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 07:47 AM)
You're fooling yourself if each and everyone one of us isn't at least a little concerned over Moncada..

Looking at the comments in this thread you're fooling yourself if you think each and every one of us is a little concerned.

 

I am genuinely not in the least bit concerned.

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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Apr 6, 2018 -> 09:31 PM)
If he can't play in the cold, that'll be a problem in 2020 and beyond.

 

It still is a problem for Jose Abreu.

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Pretty hard to compare an advanced collegiate hitter in Benintendi to a raw Cuban in Moncada.

 

If you factor in pro-rated WAR, Moncada was arguably more effective despite struggling mightily out of the gate. A strong middle infielder will always be worth more to a team than an average left fielder, too.

Edited by caulfield12

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 10:57 AM)
It still is a problem for Jose Abreu.

The ball player or board member?

 

I kid I kid.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 11:03 AM)
Pretty hard to compare an advanced collegiate hitter in Benintendi to a raw Cuban in Moncada.

 

If you factor in pro-rated WAR, Moncada was arguably more effective despite struggling mightily out of the gate. A strong middle infielder will always be worth more to a team than an average left fielder, too.

 

I’m just saying it’s not wrong to expect Moncada to have a good season this year.

 

Yes, if you’re mad about six games, you’re a moron. But they didn’t get a number 1 prospect for Sale to just be average in the long run. He needs to be one of the better players in the Sox lineup, hopefully batting 1st or 2nd.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 11:05 AM)
The ball player or board member?

 

I kid I kid.

I can't hit well in the cold, so he definitely meant me.

 

But the joke's on him, because I can't hit well in any weather anymore!

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 11:11 AM)
notworthy.gif

:cheers

 

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 11:16 AM)
I can't hit well in the cold, so he definitely meant me.

 

But the joke's on him, because I can't hit well in any weather anymore!

Welcome to the club. :D

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QUOTE (reiks12 @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 04:42 PM)
2 hits and a walk today, he's a bust

Yea, total bust. He didn’t even hit a home run or steal a base. Bum.

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QUOTE (daggins @ Apr 7, 2018 -> 11:36 AM)
Andrew Benintendi, the "more polished" player the Red Sox refused to trade, is batting .174 with no extra base hits.

 

Please, I beg of you, forget this thread exists...cast it into a deep pit and move on with your lives.

 

As a White Sox fan living in Red Sox country that is a terrible comparison. Benintendi and Moncada arrived together from AA to the Majors. Moncada went back to AAA while Benintendi stayed in the majors.

 

Benintendi has 700 ABs 22 HR- 105 RBI-22-SB 89 BB/140 SO and a .270 avg.

 

Moncada has 286 ABS 9HR -26 RBI 3 SB 35 BB/98 SO and a .226 avg.

 

Benintendi has been a stud since he arrived. Moncada has struggled for 2+ years. I still think Moncada has a higher ceiling. To make it worse for me, even Devers who was behind Moncada arrived last year , has similiar ABS as Moncada and put up better numbers. I would take Moncada over him as well but I do have "White"-colored glasses.

 

 

 

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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Apr 8, 2018 -> 03:21 PM)
Benintendi has been a stud since he arrived. Moncada has struggled for 2+ years. I still think Moncada has a higher ceiling. To make it worse for me, even Devers who was behind Moncada arrived last year , has similiar ABS as Moncada and put up better numbers. I would take Moncada over him as well but I do have "White"-colored glasses.

Yikes...

 

Benintendi was promising last year but I'd hardly call him a stud.

 

Moncada's "struggles" have been going on for about a week, not 2+ years. He was an above average player in his MLB time last year, I can't find a single metric that says otherwise

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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Apr 8, 2018 -> 02:21 PM)
As a White Sox fan living in Red Sox country that is a terrible comparison. Benintendi and Moncada arrived together from AA to the Majors. Moncada went back to AAA while Benintendi stayed in the majors.

 

Benintendi has 700 ABs 22 HR- 105 RBI-22-SB 89 BB/140 SO and a .270 avg.

 

Moncada has 286 ABS 9HR -26 RBI 3 SB 35 BB/98 SO and a .226 avg.

 

Benintendi has been a stud since he arrived. Moncada has struggled for 2+ years. I still think Moncada has a higher ceiling. To make it worse for me, even Devers who was behind Moncada arrived last year , has similiar ABS as Moncada and put up better numbers. I would take Moncada over him as well but I do have "White"-colored glasses.

 

Hey I live in Boston, hello fellow N'Englander.

 

Anyways, the point isn't to compare the two players, but to compare the sample sizes, both of which aren't large.

 

Also lol at "2+ years". With 286 PA.

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Moncada has 286 career PA's. To say "2+ years" is so disengenuous that it's pretty much just a lie. What an awful point.

Edited by TaylorStSox

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QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Apr 8, 2018 -> 04:36 PM)
Moncada has 286 career PA's. To say "2+ years" is so disengenuous that it's pretty much just a lie. What an awful point.

He said that he has been "struggling" for 2+ years, which makes it even worse. 2+ years = about 10 days I guess

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