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7 minutes ago, Juschill said:

There is an ignore button.

So many people quote him, it is worthless. 

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There's a reason we got Giolito AND Lopez in a deal for the oft-injured Adam Eaton. Giolito just isn't very good and is certainly not going to reach the potential that once saw him as the game's top pitching prospect.

He's beyond awful right now and needs a AAA bath, but I don't think an SP4 is out of the question long-term. I'm not ready to give up on the guy yet, but his era last year was all luck and he's clearly showing his ceiling is an SP3 at absolute best.

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5 hours ago, Steve9347 said:

There's a reason we got Giolito AND Lopez in a deal for the oft-injured Adam Eaton. Giolito just isn't very good and is certainly not going to reach the potential that once saw him as the game's top pitching prospect.

He's beyond awful right now and needs a AAA bath, but I don't think an SP4 is out of the question long-term. I'm not ready to give up on the guy yet, but his era last year was all luck and he's clearly showing his ceiling is an SP3 at absolute best.

My opinion is that it is all about a) if he trusts his mechanics and can repeat them. And b) how much velocity he re-gains if he can get his delivery under control. If he can do a) he can still be a #3-#5. If he does a) and starts sitting at 94-95 and topping at 96 he can still be a TOR starter. If he doesn't get his delivery under control he'll bust. 

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3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

So many people quote him, it is worthless. 

Touché.

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7 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Greg can you just put than in your profile instead of copying and pasting the same inane argument about the rebuild in every thread? We get that you think the rebuild is just an excuse to pocket money while selling the fans on a far off El Dorado.  

Only if chisox fan does it first. He said in his post he's said it "time and again" as well.

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2 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Only if chisox fan does it first. He said in his post he's said it "time and again" as well.

Yeah but my points are well reasoned :cheers

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11 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is a rebuild and you can't live and breathe by the box scores. You need to take a step back and just let "time" play its course.  Don't get overly worked up at the up's and down's because you have to be patient in the process. It might be that everything turns into garbage but it also might be that everything turns out.  But if you aren't patience and willing to allow players to develop, you'll see a lot less guys "pan out" in our organization because the reality is most players need time to develop.  

Gio has issues but he also has flashed potential. It has been a rough year for him but he's working with one of the best pitching coaches in the business and the org needs to be patient with him and I see no reason to rush to immediate judgement one way or the other. If you are talking about "fringy" guys who are blocking other high-talented players, okay, I can buy that to some extent, but in the case of Gio, there is no reason why we shouldn't be patient. I will say the same thing about Moncada and Tim Anderson as well.  

I'm all for patience but I haven't seen a ton of flashes from Giolito beyond flashes of competence, which isn't a high bar. I think it's pretty reasonable to be down on Giolito.

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