caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) https://www.yahoo.com/sports/heres-white-sox-determining-time-201727539.html Edited May 10, 2018 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 That is a very good read and solid rationale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credezcrew24 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) "The decision to promote anyone to Chicago, first of all, is not going to be based upon there being a need in Chicago, or not based upon underperformance of other players in Chicago" - Hahn said Wednesday I hope that is true now, but I can't say Hahn has the best track record there Edited May 10, 2018 by credezcrew24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Seems the only question with Jimenez is where he ends up on the field...LF, 1B, DH or potentially RF. With that type of once or twice in a generation hitting ability, it does at least make SOME sense to consider keeping him out of the outfield might not be the worst idea in the world, but I would imagine they're still a ways from actually making a dramatic change like that when he has played OF his entire career. Personally, I'd rather have two really good (capable of playing above-average CF) defenders in the outfield to protect one average/slightly below average one. Whether that's Basabe, Rutherford, Adolfo....AJ Pollock, who the hell knows at this point? They also must be pondering ways to get Zavala's bat in the line-up if he's not going to be at least a platoon catcher. Of course, those are GOOD problems for any team to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, credezcrew24 said: "The decision to promote anyone to Chicago, first of all, is not going to be based upon there being a need in Chicago, or not based upon underperformance of other players in Chicago" - Hahn said Wednesday I hope that is true now, but I can't say Hahn has the best track record there Moncada, Anderson, drafting Burdi...we shall see. It couldn't possibly be ANY WORSE than what Engel, Thompson and Avi Garcia have done so far, though. It's even making Palka look ALMOST palatable, despite his defensive shortcomings. Without any major trade speculation this summer...the status of Kopech/Jimenez and when Sox fans will get to actually watch them in Chicago will be the dominant topic, along with the upcoming June draft. Edited May 10, 2018 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Moncada, Anderson, drafting Burdi...we shall see. It couldn't possibly be ANY WORSE than what Engel, Thompson and Avi Garcia have done so far, though. It's even making Palka look ALMOST palatable, despite his defensive shortcomings. Moncada wasn't promoted because of a need in Chicago. And Anderson was clearly ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) I think you'll find quite a few Sox fans who believe that Moncada still had not evened out his ability to hit capably against LHP at the minor league level...but sometimes talent just wins out in the end, even though his MLB debut last year demonstrated some pretty good arguments for why he wasn't 100% ready. It wouldn't be hard to argue that positive public relations/marketing was one element of the Moncada decision. As far as Timmy goes, Anderson arguably could have used another 2-3 months in the minors but the ghost in the shell of Jimmy Rollins got in the way of that. In his/your defense, he hit and fielded like he belonged for MOST of his rookie season, considering how raw he was from an overall competitive baseball experience standpoint. Edited May 10, 2018 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Was The Process worth it? "I think it was," (guard TJ) McConnell said. "We have a foundation that we built on now. We have two franchise players. Obviously, the losing was hard, and you want to put a winning product out there. But I think the team that is constructed now is a winning product." Opponents of the Sixers' tanking strategy can't be classified as a monolith. There were those who felt that a professional sports team is a civic trust that owes the paying fan, at the very least, the appearance of trying to win. Others believed that the Sixers' manipulation of the league's incentive structure violated the spirit and intent of the system: to help franchises that fall upon hard times through the natural life cycle, not franchises that deliberately construct rosters designed to lose. There were critics who insisted that intentional failure breeds an intractable culture of losing that lingers. Then there were league insiders who resented the Sixers for driving down revenue. It's impossible to measure the emotional distress of the fans who suffered through interminable losing streaks (and how many multiples worse it was than, say, a string of 37-win seasons), but today those same fans in Philadelphia have rebounded. Headed into the 2013-14 season, the Sixers had sold roughly 3,400 season tickets. In the 2015-16 season, that number grew to 10,000. As of next season, that number will have surpassed 14,000. A local Nielsen rating of 0.93 in 2015-16 grew to 1.75 in 2016-17 and to 2.44 this season, according to an industry source. The Sixers finished third in the NBA in merchandise sales this season, with Embiid (eighth) and Simmons (10th) cracking the top 10 in jersey sales. "Are you willing to truly grow and endure the pain of losing? The pain is real and true." Brett Brown Divvying up credit for this return is a tricky exercise. How much should be attributed to seedlings planted by Hinkie and how much to those who did the harvesting creatively and efficiently? However one assigns praise, the belief Hinkie articulated in his 13-page resignation letter -- that when the Sixers are "eventually able to compete deep into May, [Sixers CEO] Scott [O'Neil] will ably and efficiently separate the good people of the Delaware Valley from their wallets on your behalf" -- was spot-on. Rival owners can rest assured that the Sixers are more than compensating for sneaking out on a few dinner checks during the losing seasons. The claims of a permanent "losing culture" taking hold in Philadelphia have been roundly proved as fallacy. While the Sixers were racking up losses, head coach Brett Brown, with the aid of a staff that is quickly earning a reputation as one of the league's best, was instituting principles and traditions that carried the Sixers through the lean seasons. Brown is an eternal optimist and quite possibly the most earnest man in basketball. His native curiosity -- "Did you know there's a village in China where people routinely live to be 100?" -- has helped build a culture in Philadelphia in which a diverse, young roster has forged close relationships and players pull for one another as they learn as much about the world as they do about basketball. Contrary to the naysayers who believed the losing would take its toll, is it possible the losing seasons were actually an emotional boot camp that primed the young Sixers for the intensity of contention? That likely wasn't an intentional feature of The Process, but it might have been a stroke of serendipity. "The journey is what makes you who you are," Covington said. "That journey made us who we are. The 18-win season, the 10-win season, all that, it built us up for this moment. That's what allowed us to get to where we are now. That was a test to see how strong an individual can be when you're going through all that." One of the most salient points is that letting everything bottom out THIS year will make 2019 look comparatively better...whether it's attendance, television/radio ratings, whatever statistical metric you care to use. They'll have the futures of Kopech and Jimenez to splash on the front pages of the media guide...(maybe Hansen)...another high first round draft pick, a loaded minor league system and a declining Indians team in their headlights. Equally important will be what they do in free agency. They can't go through ANOTHER season like this...things HAVE to get better in 2019 or the fans will start to lose trust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 12 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Moncada, Anderson, drafting Burdi...we shall see. It couldn't possibly be ANY WORSE than what Engel, Thompson and Avi Garcia have done so far, though. It's even making Palka look ALMOST palatable, despite his defensive shortcomings. Without any major trade speculation this summer...the status of Kopech/Jimenez and when Sox fans will get to actually watch them in Chicago will be the dominant topic, along with the upcoming June draft. Why do you constantly bring up Burdi? He is so far away from anything that matters right now and you act like he is coming off the DL and being put directly in the closers role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Why do you constantly bring up Burdi? He is so far away from anything that matters right now and you act like he is coming off the DL and being put directly in the closers role Example of a player drafted 100% to fill a hole in that draft year’s flawed big league bullpen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I think Rodon, Anderson and Fulmer will all rushed to the big leagues to try and win with Sale and Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Example of a player drafted 100% to fill a hole in that draft year’s flawed big league bullpen... Oh is that what that was? Is that why he was grouped with Moncada and Anderson, and then mentioned Engel, Thompson and Garcia? and he is flawed because he had TJS? Because I find that to be injured, not flawed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Why do you constantly bring up Burdi? He is so far away from anything that matters right now and you act like he is coming off the DL and being put directly in the closers role Maybe he's looking for some kind of sign that Sox management has a clue on how to pick talent and how to develop it. Burdi, Burger, Fulmer, Rodon and Collins recent revelation that he pretty much fixed himself to get out of his slump still has most of us wondering about the Sox talent evaluators. I know injuries happen and some of those guys were just unlucky but it's got me half expecting some kind of Hansen implode once he gets back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 So getting back on topic I can easily see the reasons for keeping Kopech down but anyone expecting the Sox to wait til next year on JImenez are going to be disappointed. He wants to be here and he is forcing the issue right now with his hitting, He's been going wild in AA . He should be promoted like right now to AAA to start a chain reaction of some of the better prospects promotions also, Yes it's early in the minor league season but guys like Zavala , Collins, Basabe, Dunning, Adolfo and a few others already could be easily promoted. Talent forces the issue, The Braves have/had the 3 youngest guys in the majors in Albies, Acuna and Sorotka. Some times the talent just forces the issue and Eloy is at that point . He should be in Charlotte like right now and a month later when he also destroys AAA pitching he should be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Kopech & Jimenez will both be up before August if healthy. Kopech should early June and Jimenez should be early July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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