SoxAce 1,475 Report post Posted May 27 7 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: A faster DJ LeMahieu is what I've been saying since the draft. In his prime that's about 30+ doubles, 5+ 3B, 25+ SB, about 10 HR with gold glove defense and a .310+ average. Probably about a 3-4 WAR guy. A friend of mine said this that I completely agreed with, but I could live with a faster Placido Polanco. It's not the best case scenario, but I could live with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Look at Ray Ray Run 1,337 Report post Posted May 27 11 hours ago, oldsox said: But he did struggle in the CWS last year. And, please, please don't compare him to Carew. Wrist. Injuries. Destroy. Hitters. The Sox knew that when they drafted him. He'll absolutely fully recover but wrist injuries can destroy your swing for over a year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lillian 398 Report post Posted May 27 I had completely forgotten about the wrist injury. Let's hope that has been the reason for his poor performance, to date and that he begins to demonstrate that 70 hit tool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoxAce 1,475 Report post Posted May 27 24 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Wrist. Injuries. Destroy. Hitters. The Sox knew that when they drafted him. He'll absolutely fully recover but wrist injuries can destroy your swing for over a year. Bingo. Luis Robert struggled with that last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptatc 801 Report post Posted May 27 45 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Ichiro hit the ball a long way in BP but Ichiro did not play with power at all so it really didn't benefit him. it could have if he chose to. He just didnt use the upper cut swi g in games to increase HRs while decreasing OBP and average. it was a choice. Madrigal doesn't have the power available. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 295 Report post Posted May 27 The wrist injury heard around the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Look at Ray Ray Run 1,337 Report post Posted May 27 39 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Bingo. Luis Robert struggled with that last season. I broke my wrist as a kid. I remember when I took the cast off my wrist was half the size as when I had put it on. Baseball is all hands and wrists. He broke it less than 18 months ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmags 2,611 Report post Posted May 27 I like how people are saying Vaughn is being punished for past draft picks by Sox but aren’t applying the same concept to Abrams, who is getting punished because people are still upset about Courtney Hawkins. Abrams is also punished because many people in these threads just fall in love with comps, and comps are stupid. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua Strong 126 Report post Posted May 27 (edited) Why does no one talk about Bobby Witt the same way they do about Abrams? Abrams has the better hit tool than Witt and projects to stay up the middle. Witt would be a project just like Hawkins, Abrams and other athletic prep players. There’s one difference that I can think of. Edited May 27 by Joshua Strong 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmags 2,611 Report post Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: Why does no one talk about Bobby Witt the same way they do about Abrams? Abrams has the better hit tool than Witt and projects to stay up the middle. Witt would be a project just like Hawkins, Abrams and other athletic prep players. There’s one difference that I can think of. It’s simply that few expect him to be there. I think pretty much everyone rates Witt above Abrams, myself included (Abrams fan #1) Edit: I severely misread this. You are discounting Witts excellent defense, mature approach, physical skills and current power. It’s a beautiful baseball package. Hawkins was just power, both in hitting and throwing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 295 Report post Posted May 27 6 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: Why does no one talk about Bobby Witt the same way they do about Abrams? Abrams has the better hit tool than Witt and projects to stay up the middle. Witt would be a project just like Hawkins, Abrams and other athletic prep players. There’s one difference that I can think of. Witt is far more polished a player and is a lock to stay at SS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoxAce 1,475 Report post Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Witt is far more polished a player and is a lock to stay at SS. Yup. And by all consensus, a lock to be a Kansas City Royal... sadly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jose Abreu 1,456 Report post Posted May 27 3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: India has arguably been worse than Madrigal so far I don’t know how you could possibly argue this 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y2Jimmy0 468 Report post Posted May 27 2 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: Why does no one talk about Bobby Witt the same way they do about Abrams? Abrams has the better hit tool than Witt and projects to stay up the middle. Witt would be a project just like Hawkins, Abrams and other athletic prep players. There’s one difference that I can think of. Because Witt Jr is a definite SS. He has much more power than Abrams too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y2Jimmy0 468 Report post Posted May 27 20 hours ago, fathom said: I get the character strengths, but it doesn’t mean much to me if a player’s team won in college, etc. Oregon St. was loaded as you obviously know. You can have all the character in the world, but it doesn’t mean you can easily add 15 pounds of muscle on a frame that might not be able to support it. Those are fair points. I took exception to you saying: Madrigal’s winning mentality is going to help him hit with more power supposedly. That's fucking bullshit, man. Nobody said that. Talk about taking things out of context. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michelangelosmonkey 53 Report post Posted May 27 6 hours ago, ptatc said: the issue is that those players had power, they just sacrificed home runs for a higher average, OBP and fewer strikeouts. The still hit the ball with power in the field if play. Ichiro had some of the best power in the league. During the All star game I saw him hit the scoreboard over the concourse in right field. I is still the longest HR I have ever seen at that stadium in 18 years as a season ticket holder. I just think that is not true. Rod Carew, in 1971-72 had 1200 at bats and TWO home runs. Ichiro in 2010-2011 played 323 games had 1350 at bats and 11 home runs. Surely you aren't suggesting that Carew and Ichiro in those 2500+ at bats didn't have hundreds of times where a home run would have helped win a game but they chose not to because they didn't want to unleash their hidden power. The two players had a combined 38 years in the majors and five seasons of hitting 10 or more home run and neither player in 38 seasons hit more than 15 in a year. They were great great players but they weren't power hitters. That is Madrigal's path. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaseballNick 1 Report post Posted May 27 What are the odds Hostetler is eyeing up Bleday over Vaughn and how much weight do you put into SEC vs PAC12? OF vs 1B/DH? LHH vs RHH? Just wondering what your opinions are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flash 105 Report post Posted May 27 21 minutes ago, BaseballNick said: What are the odds Hostetler is eyeing up Bleday over Vaughn and how much weight do you put into SEC vs PAC12? OF vs 1B/DH? LHH vs RHH? Just wondering what your opinions are. Reasonable possibility. I'd call it 40%. I'd say 50% he's eyeing up Abrams. Interestingly, I flipped on Vandy S. Miss yesterday and the guy who impresed me the most was Grae Kessinger, Don's grandson. Haven't heard him mentioned among top prospects but he is a polished SS and appears to be an excellent hitter. Hit a couple of seeds while I was tuned in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 295 Report post Posted May 27 I like Kessinger too. He'll make a nice utility type player. That Ole Miss team has some interesting guys. Cooper Johnson is the best defensive catcher in the draft (his bat is light) and 1B Thomas Dillard has as much raw power as anyone. Ryan Olenek will be a Sr sign as an OF and someone might give him a look on the mound. Illinois has their hands full in that regional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmags 2,611 Report post Posted May 27 Speaking of Illini, woof Spillane is struggling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 295 Report post Posted May 27 Not surprised. He had waaaaaay too much swing and miss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiSoxJon 93 Report post Posted May 28 So whom do we all want and who do we think we take? No clear cut order this year and I'm not in love with any top prospect Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 295 Report post Posted May 28 1. Rutschman 2. Witt Jr 3. Abrams I think they take Vaughn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OneDog847 279 Report post Posted May 28 12 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: Why does no one talk about Bobby Witt the same way they do about Abrams? Abrams has the better hit tool than Witt and projects to stay up the middle. Witt would be a project just like Hawkins, Abrams and other athletic prep players. There’s one difference that I can think of. Nice try dude... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChiSoxJon 93 Report post Posted May 28 11 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: 1. Rutschman 2. Witt Jr 3. Abrams I think they take Vaughn. Vaughn does best fit their drafting philosophy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
