southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 It is Bruce Levine, but still... https://670thescore.radio.com/white-sox-resurgent-james-shields-interest-trade-market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 It's Levineline, so I take it with a massive grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I hope so. There are some NL teams that could use him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Who the hell thought this would be a serious forum topic this year. Shields has actually reinvented himself and his a serviceable pitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Good. No need to have him on our team. I'll give him credit for not tanking and trying to earn his salary. I can't imagine we get much for him considering it'll be all salary relief. Maybe one young arm or two very very fringe prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, greg775 said: Good. No need to have him on our team. I'll give him credit for not tanking and trying to earn his salary. I can't imagine we get much for him considering it'll be all salary relief. Maybe one young arm or two very very fringe prospects. He’s trying hard & he’s a veteran. I’m surprised you want him gone. More vets!!!1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I think he winds up with the brewers for someone like Kodi Medeiros with the Sox picking up his remaining salary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, beautox said: I think he winds up with the brewers for someone like Kodi Medeiros with the Sox picking up his remaining salary I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, soxfan49 said: He’s trying hard & he’s a veteran. I’m surprised you want him gone. More vets!!!1! Not a Shields fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, beautox said: I think he winds up with the brewers for someone like Kodi Medeiros with the Sox picking up his remaining salary Seems like a realistic middling prospect return. I was thinking of something similar to the Melky trade, so yeah, Medeiros would be close enough. I wonder if we could steal RHP Caden Lemons from them if we tossed in most or all of Shield's contract too. He's 6'6 lanky kid that was drafted 46th overall last year out of HS. Touched 98 in HS, sits 93-95. Pre-season 16th best prospect in their system. Edited June 3, 2018 by ChiliIrishHammock24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Giants need pitching and have Shields old buddy Longoria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Brewers seem like a good candidate and the speculation in this thread makes some sense. Colorado is another team that makes some sense, their pitching is very meh at this point. Rockies have some young guys I really like a lot....McMahon, Hilliard, Tapia, Hampsen, etc....though no chance Shields brings in those guys, other than Hilliard perhaps. I'd absolutely take a flier on Hilliard, a bit older in AA, but loaded with tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I’ll happily take salary relief for Shields and call it a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) Shields has been very impressive. He is a real "pitcher," relying on command, movement and changing speeds. That new arm slot was a huge discovery for him. As disgusted and disappointed, as I was with the trade that brought him to the Sox, I have come to appreciate what he has achieved. I wish more guys would try to experiment with such innovative approaches. Imagine how well a guy, with a 95 mph fastball, could pitch, if he had the rest of Shields' current arsenal. Maybe Giolito should adopt something similar, as his heater has become very pedestrian. If James can impart some of his knowledge and skill, to his young team mates, he will have earned his salary. As for his future with the Sox, I wouldn't be upset if they can get someone worthwhile, for him. Otherwise, he may have value, both as a mentor, as well as an innings eater. In any case, I would consider resigning him, for another year. If he is not traded, I'd like to see the Sox pick up that $16 million option. It would really only be $14 Million, as the buy out is $2 Million, which is a sunk cost, if they elect not to pick up the option. If next year, they could feature Rodon, Kopech, Lopez, Giolito and Shields, they could be competitive, while affording the rest of the young arms time to develop in the Minors. Edited June 3, 2018 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lillian said: Shields has been very impressive. He is a real "pitcher," relying on command, movement and changing speeds. That new arm slot was a huge discovery for him. As disgusted and disappointed, as I was with the trade that brought him to the Sox, I have come to appreciate what he has achieved. I wish more guys would try to experiment with such innovative approaches. Imagine how well a guy, with a 95 mph fastball, could pitch, if he had the rest of Shields' current arsenal. Maybe Giolito should adopt something similar, as his heater has become very pedestrian. If James can impart some of his knowledge and skill, to his young team mates, he will have earned his salary. As for his future with the Sox, I wouldn't be upset if they can get someone worthwhile, for him. Otherwise, he may have value, both as a mentor, as well as an innings eater. In any case, I would consider resigning him, for another year. If he is not traded, I'd like to see the Sox pick up that $16 million option. It would really only be $14 Million, as the buy out is $2 Million, which is a sunk cost, if they elect not to pick up the option. If next year, they could feature Rodon, Kopech, Lopez, Giolito and Shields, they could be competitive, while affording the rest of the young arms time to develop in the Minors. Under no circumstance should we pick up a $16M option for Shields. That would be absolute insanity. While he hasn’t been terrible this year, he’s still not good and could easily be replaced with a less costly and/or better option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 13 hours ago, greg775 said: Good. No need to have him on our team. I'll give him credit for not tanking and trying to earn his salary. I can't imagine we get much for him considering it'll be all salary relief. Maybe one young arm or two very very fringe prospects. You know no one on the team is trying to lose, right Greg? The front office has just decided that they're okay with results not being there this year, so players who normally wouldn't get a chance are getting a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Trade him for a bag of balls and put Stephens in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Trade him for a bag of balls and put Stephens in the rotation. Yup, I really hope the front office doesn’t try to overplay its hand here. Get a Ti’Quan Forbes caliber prospect and end this regretful chapter of White Sox baeball. The sooner the better as his innings are valuable and would be better served to Stephens, Covey, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 If you can get anything for him you do it immediately just in case he gets figured out. Eat the money, maximize the return and do it. I mean at this point they only owe somewhere around $6.5 million on him. Even if the return is a bag of balls, just do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Shields and Abreu for Brendon Rodgers and the Rox #42 comp pick. Maybe Rox throw in Desmond and we eat some salary. All in favor ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Flash said: Shields and Abreu for Brendon Rodgers and the Rox #42 comp pick. Maybe Rox throw in Desmond and we eat some salary. All in favor ??? Why in the world would the Rockies want James Shields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) It is easy to understand the "Shields hate". He was absolutely terrible, trying to pitch the way he had always pitched, during his successful years, when he had a legitimate fastball. However, watching him pitch this season, he is not the same guy. He and Lopez have been our most consistent starters, and it is not by luck. His new approach is effective at getting Big League hitters out. How much he would be worth, is a question that can be argued. However, to say that he is worthless, and to be so convinced that he should be jettisoned, as a mere salary dump, is not a very thoughtful conclusion. I wish more pitchers pitched with his kind of finesse and cunning. Did you notice that Soria was throwing a few similar pitches, in his Friday night's relief appearance? He would do well to try to emulate Shields' approach, as he too has lost his heater, at this stage in his career. Again, even guys can throw a legitimate fastball, could benefit from such innovations. Trying to simply blow everyone away with 95 + mph fastballs, doesn't seem to work as well as it used to. There are too many guys throwing that hard and hitters appear to have adjusted to those speeds. Edited June 3, 2018 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 But who will be the new Tank Commander? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replacement Level Poster Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: But who will be the new Tank Commander? The entire starting OF yesterday, Tilson, Engle, Trayce. Matt Skole hit cleanup. I’ll give Hahn credit this is no half hearted tank effort and if your going to do something may as well go all in on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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