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1 minute ago, bmags said:

Passing. Length. Youth.

So to pull a name out of thin air, what would distinguish him from an Ayo Dosunmu (who was almost always lower ranked on draft boards before announcing his return to UIUC)? Or do you think a guy like Ayo would have had helium in this draft as well?

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4 minutes ago, Jake said:

So to pull a name out of thin air, what would distinguish him from an Ayo Dosunmu (who was almost always lower ranked on draft boards before announcing his return to UIUC)? Or do you think a guy like Ayo would have had helium in this draft as well?

No idea, but I think the difference between 15th and 35th on a draft board really isn't very significant, but especially this year. Why do some like THT? They see a switchable guard whose body could handle mismatches and would be a plus in the pick and roll nba.

And he's young, so maybe he ends up developing his playmaking ability and you have a role player.

Now, many would swap him with huichimara, and have THT in the 35ish range. He trades huichimaras production in college but worries his processing and sluggishness on D will get him eaten alive in pick and roll defense, negating his developed offense.

The guys really from 11-35 are either productive college players that could get eaten alive in modern defense or a guy that accomplishes one specific thing and you roll the dice and hope he develops others. 

Do I think Ayo could have risen? I don't know, I think some would have him higher and some lower. Some love Jontay Porter, some would point him as undrafted. Depends what happens to a team in charge. I think Ayo would be a 2nd rounder, and more than likely THT will be a 2nd rounder.

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7 minutes ago, Jake said:

So to pull a name out of thin air, what would distinguish him from an Ayo Dosunmu (who was almost always lower ranked on draft boards before announcing his return to UIUC)? Or do you think a guy like Ayo would have had helium in this draft as well?

I think that it's a relatively weak draft so a team can talk themselves into THT's measurables.  You see a guy with his wingspan, and you see the potential for an elite, switchable defender who can develop into a solid scorer as well.

The case for Ayo - as somebody who watched him a lot this year - is tougher for me.  I don't think Ayo showed he's a plus passer.  I don't think Ayo showed he could reliably get to the rim/foul line.  I'm not sure Ayo has elite athleticism.  Even in a relatively weak draft, the case for Ayo as a guy in the mid-first round this year was one I just couldn't see.

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50 minutes ago, illinilaw08 said:

I think that it's a relatively weak draft so a team can talk themselves into THT's measurables.  You see a guy with his wingspan, and you see the potential for an elite, switchable defender who can develop into a solid scorer as well.

The case for Ayo - as somebody who watched him a lot this year - is tougher for me.  I don't think Ayo showed he's a plus passer.  I don't think Ayo showed he could reliably get to the rim/foul line.  I'm not sure Ayo has elite athleticism.  Even in a relatively weak draft, the case for Ayo as a guy in the mid-first round this year was one I just couldn't see.

I guess my problem with THT is that the measurables are not great. Fantastic length for his height, but his height is very short. His measurables for athleticism were not good and while his bench press (the only way they're measuring strength) was above average, it wasn't great. Maybe it undersells his actual strength, but now we're talking about something that isn't measurable.  Hard for me to conclude THT is a premium athlete or even average for the NBA.

It wouldn't shock me if THT ends up outside shooting better than he did in NCAA last year, but he was not efficient inside the arc and he shot free throws badly. This stuff did not improve in the conference season. But overall, I don't think it's crazy to say his play in college is not exactly an asset for him. I didn't get to see him *that* much, but I'll buy that he was a really strong defender. But I worry that his size becomes much more problematic in the NBA. Who does he guard on the Bulls? LaVine? Might get burned but maybe he could use his strength. Probably wouldn't capitalize on the strength mismatch on the other end given his poor inside scoring.

 

Anyway, I also felt that Ayo is not yet a good NBA prospect and thought he'd regret it if he declared. He has a height, but perhaps not length, advantage over THT but is of course smaller. I'm not sure how Ayo would look on the athleticism drills, which is part of the reason I thought it was a bad risk to go the combine (which he didn't do). He was mostly a below the rim player, at least offensively, although he did show some flashes of really athletic defensive plays that would surprise me.

Whether Ayo is a strong passer or not isn't clear. He gets some assists, makes some impressive passes. He's the first Illini PG to sometimes hit the roll man on the pick and roll in quite a while, but that's a low bar. I definitely don't think I'd count passing among his negatives, that's for sure. Sharing the court with 2 other PGs complicates things. What Ayo would be able to sell, though, is his overall production, at least offensively. Especially since he started disappearing at times late in the season, he'll still benefit from another year in college. Of course, it'll be somewhat hard to evaluate because the Illini had an extremely difficult schedule last season and chances are it won't be quite so bad this year.

 

In terms of college production, when you look at the box plus-minus oriented statistics, THT and Ayo are kind of mirror images of each other. THT not much on offense, but added a lot on D. Ayo not much on D, but added a lot offensively. I worry that THT's D won't translate due to his athleticism. Others would rightly be worried that Ayo's offense wouldn't translate (besides outside shooting) due to his athleticism/size. I wouldn't want the Bulls drafting either one of them, although in a 2nd round situation maybe you just don't care since those guys are so often fatally flawed.

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I mean, I know someone who watched every single THT game in college...

His shot has a ways to go. He was so incredibly streaky behind the arc. He was a much more effective offensive player when he realized there aren't a lot of guys that could stay in front of him. He doesn't strike me as a first round pick, but I've seen him in some mocks land there. He certainly has the ability to defend but he certainly didn't show that trait off to where he was a defensive stopper or anything, though he wasn't really asked to be in that role. He was incredibly physically unique in high school, was somewhat unique in college, but I don't know that he'd be worth a first round pick. Of course, if he learns to shoot (and he's still so young) and figures out how to use his body, he's an NBA player.

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Taj reportedly on Bulls radar. Would be a good vet move presuming price is right. Knows how to win. Him plus Beverly and picks might be the reality. Gives you leadership and steady presence without tying up long term cap space. 

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11 hours ago, Heads22 said:

I mean, I know someone who watched every single THT game in college...

His shot has a ways to go. He was so incredibly streaky behind the arc. He was a much more effective offensive player when he realized there aren't a lot of guys that could stay in front of him. He doesn't strike me as a first round pick, but I've seen him in some mocks land there. He certainly has the ability to defend but he certainly didn't show that trait off to where he was a defensive stopper or anything, though he wasn't really asked to be in that role. He was incredibly physically unique in high school, was somewhat unique in college, but I don't know that he'd be worth a first round pick. Of course, if he learns to shoot (and he's still so young) and figures out how to use his body, he's an NBA player.

Keep in mind the PnR offense is a much bigger part of the NBA than college so a bit of it is projection that he can fight through screens and handle switches with length.

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Get it Utah.

Stephan Noh had a great piece on why the Bulls shouldn't trade up, and Cowleys article today made me believe the bulls have only mild interest. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Bulls go Reddish or Hayes tonight, or trade back.

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If you could have Taj or RoLo at the same price (probably not realistic), who are you going with?

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1 hour ago, Jake said:

If you could have Taj or RoLo at the same price (probably not realistic), who are you going with?

I like them both, but probably Taj cause he can play 4 & 5.  

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Seems like the Lakers need to sell off their remaining salaries. I wouldnt mind getting Mo Wagner on the cheap. 

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3 hours ago, bmags said:

Get it Utah.

Stephan Noh had a great piece on why the Bulls shouldn't trade up, and Cowleys article today made me believe the bulls have only mild interest. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Bulls go Reddish or Hayes tonight, or trade back.

I thought the draft was tomorrow?

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Since the LA/NO trade isn't official, are they going to make the #4 pick put on a Lakers hat, etc.?

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So like, the Lakers forgot to create cap space and had to call the Pelicans back to try and rework the deal...

 

 

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I had a very strong opinion about what I wanted in the last draft (and it was a good opinion), but this year I don't. 

I kinda don't think they should swing for the fences, yet I would not be at all upset if they drafted Reddish.

I do not want them to trade up for Garland, but if they select him at 7 that's great. 

I wouldn't mind trading down, and would like to see players like Nickeil Alexander-Walker/Tyler Herro/Ty Jerome, PJ Washington, Clarke etc

No idea where anyone falls for real.

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ESPN's mock has Culver-Garland-White going in front of the Bulls, which to me is the worst case scenario and leaves them with DeAndre Hunter at 7, which to me is the least exciting possibility but probably the right pick under those circumstances. I wouldn't trade up unless the price is trivial.

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35 minutes ago, Jake said:

ESPN's mock has Culver-Garland-White going in front of the Bulls, which to me is the worst case scenario and leaves them with DeAndre Hunter at 7, which to me is the least exciting possibility but probably the right pick under those circumstances. I wouldn't trade up unless the price is trivial.

I would go Reddish or Clarke

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4 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

 

God the Pelicans are setting themselves up nicely.

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