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Lavine looks really good. I know he had tough matchups, but Wendell Carter Jr. looks awful. He seems to have less offensive game than Noah did during the Rose/Thibs years.  Very underwhelming so far for a top 10 pick. 

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2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Lavine looks really good. I know he had tough matchups, but Wendell Carter Jr. looks awful. He seems to have less offensive game than Noah did during the Rose/Thibs here. Very underwhelming so far for a top 10 pick. 

Thats a horrific hot take. Carter's shot is immensely better than Noah. He is maybe the best defender on the Bulls and there is a reason why when he left the game its when the Mavs ran up the lead.

I mean less than Noah? Come on. 

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22 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Thats a horrific hot take. Carter's shot is immensely better than Noah. He is maybe the best defender on the Bulls and there is a reason why when he left the game its when the Mavs ran up the lead.

I mean less than Noah? Come on. 

It's early, and this is the only game I watched. 2 baskets is 2 baskets. He might be better, but they're not letting him show what he can do. Granted he didn't have the ball a lot, but guy isnt going to develop offensively if they don't give him the ball. The Bulls have a ball distribution problem that is only going to get worse when Markkanen returns from injury. 

Sometimes I don't get stuff straight, and what I actually meant is that if he doesn't get the ball because there are better players around, then people should be happy if he maxes out at Noah levels. I kept hearing during the leadup to the draft that he was going to be a 20-10 player right off the bat with great defense. If he's got that, let him show it. Fred surely didn't do that tonight. Maybe he will as he goes up against worse big men.  Not enough ball to go around. 

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Just now, Jack Parkman said:

It's early, and this is the only game I watched. 2 baskets is 2 baskets. He might be better, but they're not letting him show what he can do. Granted he didn't have the ball a lot, but guy isnt going to develop offensively if they don't give him the ball. 

He plays with a lot of black holes on offense. He shot 19/46 from 3 in college and shot over 58% from the floor.

In comparison, Noah has only shot 17 3's in his entire career (NCAA and NBA). He has made 1.

The bulls offense is going to be a lot different when Lauri gets back. With Lavine playing really well, Carter's offense is really not a huge issue. Hes young and tentative. Look at Bosh's stat lines his first year. He had a lot of games where she shot really poorly. 

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20 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

I have seen around the 2nd week of November if everything goes well

Sprained elbow wasn't it? I lose track of things like that these days.

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LaVinr looks good.

Carter's shot ain't falling, but the team DRtg is 10 points better with him on the court.

God send Lauri.

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Couple thoughts from last nights game:

- Doncic is wonderful. Complete command of the floor, though doing it against bulls isn't particularly difficult. S

- WCJ is doing yeoman's work making a lot of things happen. He sets some beautiful screens and is incredibly selfless.

- Lopez on other hand has been playing really dumb basketball. I loved how professional he was last year but it looks like he lost a lot this offseason. It's one of the reasons I felt bad about the tank last year, you only get so many years of your life you can be an NBA player.

- Kris Dunn was probably exhausted and it's his first game back, but this year he has to cut down on his turnovers if he wants to be effective.

- Arcidiacano over payne (just a reminder we cut spencer dinwiddie and he looks pretty good)

- I just hate the roster construction on this team. I don't care if we aren't supposed to be a playoff team this year. Players like Holliday and Blakeney being the bench pieces on this team while discarding Nwaba just makes no sense. THere is zero second look. You have a pupu platter of black hole offensive players combined with terrible defense. What else was there to learn about justin holliday you did not already know?

- The bulls have to do more offball movement when their forwards post up, considering who they have as their forwards.

- Hutchinson has his first "well, okay!" game. Would much rather have a reserve unit of arcidiacano, hutch, nwaba, parker/portis, lopez than payne, holliday/hutch/blakeney, parker/portis, lopez. (neither are good)

- Lavine certain is playing well. He is getting fouls, he is making smart shots. I just hate this roster construction and I think it's hard for him to learn team defense when you surround him with more defensively bad bad bad players.

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Yeah the roster construction isnt that great right now. The other problem is that the defense is just horrible. Several times yesterday guys just ran to double for no reason, which then led to open shots. Its crazy but it seems like WCJ is basically the defensive anchor. Its a lot to pin on a 19 year old, but the Bulls need to start trusting him 1 on 1 on defense because the rest of the team just doesnt have the capability to switch well.

The good news is that Lavine is playing better than anyone could have imagined. A starting line up of WJC/Lauri/Lavine/Dunn actually looks like a place to start. They need a SF badly, whether its by tank or FA.

Most importantly, Hoiberg needs to give WCJ 30+ minutes a night. There is no reason not to. 

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1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:

Yeah the roster construction isnt that great right now. The other problem is that the defense is just horrible. Several times yesterday guys just ran to double for no reason, which then led to open shots. Its crazy but it seems like WCJ is basically the defensive anchor. Its a lot to pin on a 19 year old, but the Bulls need to start trusting him 1 on 1 on defense because the rest of the team just doesnt have the capability to switch well.

The good news is that Lavine is playing better than anyone could have imagined. A starting line up of WJC/Lauri/Lavine/Dunn actually looks like a place to start. They need a SF badly, whether its by tank or FA.

Most importantly, Hoiberg needs to give WCJ 30+ minutes a night. There is no reason not to. 

They have a 19 year old trying to cover everyones mistakes and he's really not doing that bad of a job. He definitely needs some more muscle though.

Hutch really did look fine, especially on doncic, it would be very helpful if he could be a rotation player.

 

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5 minutes ago, bmags said:

They have a 19 year old trying to cover everyones mistakes and he's really not doing that bad of a job. He definitely needs some more muscle though.

Hutch really did look fine, especially on doncic, it would be very helpful if he could be a rotation player.

 

Yeah Im hoping that he bulks up as he ages, but part of me thinks hes got a Chris Bosh frame. 

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26 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Yeah the roster construction isnt that great right now. The other problem is that the defense is just horrible. Several times yesterday guys just ran to double for no reason, which then led to open shots. Its crazy but it seems like WCJ is basically the defensive anchor. Its a lot to pin on a 19 year old, but the Bulls need to start trusting him 1 on 1 on defense because the rest of the team just doesnt have the capability to switch well.

The good news is that Lavine is playing better than anyone could have imagined. A starting line up of WJC/Lauri/Lavine/Dunn actually looks like a place to start. They need a SF badly, whether its by tank or FA.

Most importantly, Hoiberg needs to give WCJ 30+ minutes a night. There is no reason not to. 

Roster construction sucks. They have too many players who need the ball. 

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34 minutes ago, bmags said:

They have a 19 year old trying to cover everyones mistakes and he's really not doing that bad of a job. He definitely needs some more muscle though.

Hutch really did look fine, especially on doncic, it would be very helpful if he could be a rotation player.

 

Technically they wouldn't have a 19 year old trying to cover everyone's mistakes if Lauri was around. Lauri isn't a stellar defender, but he's at least solid and this was also the first game Dunn was back and he's a good defender. The problem is when Lauri is out, whether it is Portis or Parker, you are replacing a solid defender with a porous one and when Dunn was out, you were taking an above average defender and replacing him with Payne (who is a big step down).  

The bright side is, I still like the talent of Lavine, Dunn, Lauri, and Carter and all of them are actually nice pieces with each other. Portis can't start with that group though and while I think he's a valuable player, he's best served off the bench (if the Bulls are going to win).  Parker certainly showed that he can score the ball but a lot of his points were what I'd call old school "iso" and were detrimental to the team movement. He can score though. A nice pick and Durant/Kwahi would be great this offseason ;)

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By the way, I realize it was a small sample size, but Doncic is going to be a star. He looks like the real deal. Just a complete package.  

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On another aside, I'm slightly worried that Hoiberg will lose this team quickly (due to all the losing). I don't want "chemistry" and "off the court" issues plaguing a young team that needs good veterans, role models, and stability to enhance their development.  

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When did that happen? During the game? The tank is on!  

I still say the best thing for this season is probably Lavine crushing it, MCJ showing progress, and Lauri/Dunn playing well when they come back, only for their overall record to be impacted by general youth and inconsistent defense, largely from Parker/Portis and others, who are ultimately moved (leveraging the expiring contract of Parker) either to a contender for assets (those guys would help any contenders bench but are probably not building blocks) and/or combined with another piece for a high end player demanding a trade (Parker, Portis plus a draft pick or Dunn or something for a high end player demanding out) and than go all in on adding another free agent in the off-season.  

Again...just talking out loud.  

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With the new lottery rules, they just need to be in the bottom 3 of worst records. Seems doable. 

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1 minute ago, Jenksismyhero said:

TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK

 

1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said:

When did that happen? During the game? The tank is on!  

If the Bulls somehow got a guy like RJ Barrett things would be looking much better. 

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1 minute ago, Tony said:

With the new lottery rules, they just need to be in the bottom 3 of worst records. Seems doable. 

Technically, them winning late probably isn't that big of a deal cause  it is more about a little "luck" than anything else. I presume they won't be bottom 3 bad, but they will likely be bad enough that with the adjusted odds they can "try" to contend and even win some games without drastically shifting their odds. I figure they'll be somewhere between 5-10 (in terms of worst teams) but would have better odds than prior years when it comes to "moving up"...at least I think they would.  Also more "downside" risk.  

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I guess it happened in 2nd quarter but he played through it. Guess our medical staff is top notch.

I get that tank is good but cam payne is one of the most offensive basketball players i've ever watched. This sucks.

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