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1 minute ago, bmags said:

Naw Jrue would be peeerfect for bulls, and I don't think Pels are into trading jrue anymore.

It's going to be for conley if anyone.

It's not the fit I'm worried about. It's the contract, age, and giving up a pick which could add depth/potential when we can just use the cap space to go hard after Brogdon.*

This is assuming Brogdon would take the best offer on the table.

Conley is definitely the worst case scenario.  

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I wonder if the Bulls will actually see if they can get Lonzo Ball for the 7th. 

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I totally forgot that the lottery happened until almost midnight last night and I can't say I'm unhappy that I did.

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1 hour ago, Quin said:

It's not the fit I'm worried about. It's the contract, age, and giving up a pick which could add depth/potential when we can just use the cap space to go hard after Brogdon.*

This is assuming Brogdon would take the best offer on the table.

Conley is definitely the worst case scenario.  

Jrue Holiday >>> 7th pick. I've stopped caring about cap space considering nobody will want to sign with this coach/org. Jrue's decline the next 3 years will be nothing. 

Holiday/Lavine/Porter/Markannen/WCJ is good.

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If I remember right they could have had jrue holiday for the two first round picks...that they instead traded for Mcdermott.

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It will be interesting to see what the team does. I have to think trading the 7th pick is on the table and obviously they are going to look at free agency to get them better (but they are highly unlikely to be players for any of the big guys). The one potential exception would be Kemba.  

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3 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

It will be interesting to see what the team does. I have to think trading the 7th pick is on the table and obviously they are going to look at free agency to get them better (but they are highly unlikely to be players for any of the big guys). The one potential exception would be Kemba.  

The defense would be so hilarious.

I have a hard time believing kemba would take a 20 mill deal to the bulls, because Charlotte should absolutely be able to pull him for more money at that point.

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6 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

If I remember right they could have had jrue holiday for the two first round picks...that they instead traded for Mcdermott.

Or kept the picks and had 2 solid players like Garry Harris and Nurkic

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9 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

I totally forgot that the lottery happened until almost midnight last night and I can't say I'm unhappy that I did.

Thanks for sharing

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1 hour ago, Quin said:

This reeks of the Bulls.

Would be smart if they did it. 

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2 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

Would be smart if they did it. 

Absolutely. He's from Gary, IN so being closer to home might be what he wants. Not sure if Phoenix will care, but.. worth a try.

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5 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

Would be smart if they did it. 

Yup. Due to the injury + Klutch, it could scare Phoenix off if they can't work him out.

Only play they really got, but it is a play.

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I doubt it was any team that high. Someone probably just guaranteed him a floor. If a top ten team asks for a private workout he’s taking it, but no need to go through combine if a team saw what it needed.

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In terms of refocusing to "just gettin stuff", I really don't think I'd have issue at 7 with many guys.

Even if they took Reddish I'd get it, and it'd probably be worth shooting your shot (sorta like Malik Monk albeit it didn't work out) with a guy with that skillset.

But assuming the absolute locks that Williamson, Morant and Barrett are all gone, in order of my preference its

1) Jarrett Culver

2) Darius Garland

3) Coby White

4) Deandre Hunter (more for fit, he is likely above white otherwise)

5) Reddish

6) Hayes

7) Clarke

Trade back guys

Nickeil Alexander Walker, Bol Bol, Grant Williams

If we picked up a future lotto protected first, traded back and got NA-W? I wouldn't hate it!

If we got Culver I'd deem that really successful, Garland really nice, White pretty normal, and I seriously could buy into any of the guys behind even though some fit questionably as our health and rotation is so thin.

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Bulls reportedly interested in Rozier and/or Beverly.  Both would be nice additions.  Rozier could have some upside and will be interesting if he sticks around Boston. He shined in the post-season last year when Kyrie was out.  

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I presume Memphis will keep the 2nd pick, but I wonder if the Bulls make a very strong play to go up and grab Ja (if after they finish their scouting they determine he is a generational guy). If so, do they offer Dunn, this years 1st, plus next years first + ?.  I don't know that Memphis does that (Bulls probably need to offer another future 1st, which is risky), but this is probably the last year the Bulls will be this awful (they might still be bad).  Than again, with the lottery odds flatter, being on the back of the lottery isn't necessarily bad either (you at least have a better shot of moving on up).  

Based upon the Bulls roster construction, if there was a year to be ultra aggressive, this would be the year. I don't know Memphis to know where they stand in their rebuilt and what other pieces they have, but they might still be earlier in the asset accumulation phase where moving down isn't a bad thing (especially since they have Conley, who is still very good, but has a large contract).  

The alternative is the Bulls move Felicio and any other spare parts and just trade for Conley (who I presume Memphis would move purely to clear cap space). Know you've sunk your cap space for 2 more years (Porto and Conley) if you are the Bulls and roll with that.  The move absolutely puts the Bulls in a playoff spot, albeit, their flexibility will be a bit hampered and I don't know how good that team could be, but it absolutely should be a playoff team. Conley is a massive upgrade (presuming he can stay on the floor and doesn't have any known LT injury concerns (I know he has had a couple seasons recently where he's missed some games due to injury). 

As I type this...I'd have to kind of say, Conley might be the Bulls most realistic path.   I don't know how they position from there to a true contender, probably very dependent on the growth of Lavine, Laurie, Wendell and I don't think any of them are stars. They would have a ton of well rounded pieces and than you just have to hope with the team being much better, at some point a superstar forces his way to Chicago (and you move some of the pieces to get said player).   

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43 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I presume Memphis will keep the 2nd pick, but I wonder if the Bulls make a very strong play to go up and grab Ja (if after they finish their scouting they determine he is a generational guy). If so, do they offer Dunn, this years 1st, plus next years first + ?.  I don't know that Memphis does that (Bulls probably need to offer another future 1st, which is risky), but this is probably the last year the Bulls will be this awful (they might still be bad).  Than again, with the lottery odds flatter, being on the back of the lottery isn't necessarily bad either (you at least have a better shot of moving on up).  

Based upon the Bulls roster construction, if there was a year to be ultra aggressive, this would be the year. I don't know Memphis to know where they stand in their rebuilt and what other pieces they have, but they might still be earlier in the asset accumulation phase where moving down isn't a bad thing (especially since they have Conley, who is still very good, but has a large contract).  

The alternative is the Bulls move Felicio and any other spare parts and just trade for Conley (who I presume Memphis would move purely to clear cap space). Know you've sunk your cap space for 2 more years (Porto and Conley) if you are the Bulls and roll with that.  The move absolutely puts the Bulls in a playoff spot, albeit, their flexibility will be a bit hampered and I don't know how good that team could be, but it absolutely should be a playoff team. Conley is a massive upgrade (presuming he can stay on the floor and doesn't have any known LT injury concerns (I know he has had a couple seasons recently where he's missed some games due to injury). 

As I type this...I'd have to kind of say, Conley might be the Bulls most realistic path.   I don't know how they position from there to a true contender, probably very dependent on the growth of Lavine, Laurie, Wendell and I don't think any of them are stars. They would have a ton of well rounded pieces and than you just have to hope with the team being much better, at some point a superstar forces his way to Chicago (and you move some of the pieces to get said player).   

Come on, Jason.   COME ON

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51 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I presume Memphis will keep the 2nd pick, but I wonder if the Bulls make a very strong play to go up and grab Ja (if after they finish their scouting they determine he is a generational guy). If so, do they offer Dunn, this years 1st, plus next years first + ?.  I don't know that Memphis does that (Bulls probably need to offer another future 1st, which is risky), but this is probably the last year the Bulls will be this awful (they might still be bad).  Than again, with the lottery odds flatter, being on the back of the lottery isn't necessarily bad either (you at least have a better shot of moving on up).  

Based upon the Bulls roster construction, if there was a year to be ultra aggressive, this would be the year. I don't know Memphis to know where they stand in their rebuilt and what other pieces they have, but they might still be earlier in the asset accumulation phase where moving down isn't a bad thing (especially since they have Conley, who is still very good, but has a large contract).  

The alternative is the Bulls move Felicio and any other spare parts and just trade for Conley (who I presume Memphis would move purely to clear cap space). Know you've sunk your cap space for 2 more years (Porto and Conley) if you are the Bulls and roll with that.  The move absolutely puts the Bulls in a playoff spot, albeit, their flexibility will be a bit hampered and I don't know how good that team could be, but it absolutely should be a playoff team. Conley is a massive upgrade (presuming he can stay on the floor and doesn't have any known LT injury concerns (I know he has had a couple seasons recently where he's missed some games due to injury). 

As I type this...I'd have to kind of say, Conley might be the Bulls most realistic path.   I don't know how they position from there to a true contender, probably very dependent on the growth of Lavine, Laurie, Wendell and I don't think any of them are stars. They would have a ton of well rounded pieces and than you just have to hope with the team being much better, at some point a superstar forces his way to Chicago (and you move some of the pieces to get said player).   

To get Ja it'd be Lauri + this year's first.

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21 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Come on, Jason.   COME ON

Kobe tried it. Bulls just weren't able to pull it off.  People act like the Bulls haven't had legit shots at superstars, when they were good...they were in everyone's conversation to land the big free agents. They swung and missed. 

Right now...they are on no ones list though.  Why because they suck.  

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Separately, do people buy into the Bulls being a pretty good team with a Conley at the point. Very well rounded player, strong leader and vet presence (for the young guys we do have).  And if an opportunity develops, you can move a Porter plus other pieces to land a bigger fish over time. First they need to get to respectability.  

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I would've liked Conley better a few years ago. Better than Dunn at least.

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20 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Separately, do people buy into the Bulls being a pretty good team with a Conley at the point. Very well rounded player, strong leader and vet presence (for the young guys we do have).  And if an opportunity develops, you can move a Porter plus other pieces to land a bigger fish over time. First they need to get to respectability.  

How do you define "Pretty good"?

Is this team 1 tolerable PG away from competing for the 8-9 slot? Probably not. Could they compete for the 8-9 slot with a tolerable PG, better health, and improvement from WCJ and Lauri? Maybe, but am I likely to bet on good health and good development from this Bulls organization and coaching staff?

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36 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Kobe tried it. Bulls just weren't able to pull it off.  People act like the Bulls haven't had legit shots at superstars, when they were good...they were in everyone's conversation to land the big free agents. They swung and missed. 

Right now...they are on no ones list though.  Why because they suck.  

Kobe tried it what, 12-15 years ago?   You are living in the past if you think this is a destination anymore.   The players voted that Boylen is the coach they would least like to play for.   The front office is already known to be persona non grata and Paxson himself admitted that they cannot convince elite talent to come here, so that's why they traded for Porter.  So they are done swinging and missing, they just decided not to swing anymore.

This front office has destroyed every true avenue to get better and now they rely on luck.  On Tuesday luck kicked them in the nuts.

no superstar is going to push to come to Chicago until this entire front office is cleaned out 

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Quin said:

To get Ja it'd be Lauri + this year's first.

No Ja is not that good of a prospect and it wouldn’t take that. You could get it for this years first and a lottery protected first and I’m not sure I wouldn’t take Barrett at two anyway

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