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8 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

Continue to crap all over Nylander when Toews and Kane haven't showed up the entire series. 

Hawks have bigger issues than Nylander. Quit scapegoating him when two guys making $21M have been almost as bad. 

Point the finger where it belongs. 

 

Those two have played a part in 5 goals. Nylander has played a part in nothing. Point wasn't to necessarily crap all over just Nylander, it was to crap all over him for being absolutely terrible and Colliton for not only continuing to trot him out there over and over despite the aforementioned pathetic play but doing it at a pace that through 2 periods his TOI was greater than Toews, etc

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35 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

Those two have played a part in 5 goals. Nylander has played a part in nothing. Point wasn't to necessarily crap all over just Nylander, it was to crap all over him for being absolutely terrible and Colliton for not only continuing to trot him out there over and over despite the aforementioned pathetic play but doing it at a pace that through 2 periods his TOI was greater than Toews, etc

I'm not even saying Nylander has been good(he hasn't) but he's been meh for the most part and you guys continue acting like he's some beer league player. 

Quit acting like Jokiharju is Nicklas Lidstrom to fit your narrative. 

Both you and Tony had your mind made up before he ever played a game for the Hawks. Confirmation bias much? 

Nylander has his issues but the only reason why I defend him is that there's this disease among the Hawks fanbase that somehow nobody can watch a game without trashing him. Fanbase is a bunch of idiots. Kid isn't completely useless out there, he's just meh. Nylander has not deserved the amount of hate that he's received from the fanbase. He does a lot of little things that help hockey teams win games but all you guys can see is his rookie mistake on any given shift. He's not doing much offensively, and yes, he's disappointed there. 

The good clear, you miss. The strong forecheck, you miss. The zone entries, you miss. The good keep in, you miss.

Watch the kid a bit without bias and you'll notice these things. 

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5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I'm not even saying Nylander has been good(he hasn't) but he's been meh for the most part and you guys continue acting like he's some beer league player. 

Quit acting like Jokiharju is Nicklas Lidstrom to fit your narrative. 

Both you and Tony had your mind made up before he ever played a game for the Hawks. Confirmation bias much? 

Nylander has his issues but the only reason why I defend him is that there's this disease among the Hawks fanbase that somehow nobody can watch a game without trashing him. Fanbase is a bunch of idiots. Kid isn't completely useless out there, he's just meh. Nylander has not deserved the amount of hate that he's received from the fanbase. He does a lot of little things that help hockey teams win games but all you guys can see is his rookie mistake on any given shift. He's not doing much offensively, and yes, he's disappointed there. 

The good clear, you miss. The strong forecheck, you miss. The zone entries, you miss. The good keep in, you miss.

Watch the kid a bit without bias and you'll notice these things. 

No one said he's Lidstrom. They said for an organization that can't seem to identify defensive talent anymore, it sure was a weird trade, especially for another fast forward who struggles with consistency. Doesn't that sound just like Nylander?

Let's say our minds were made up before he ever played for the team. What exactly has he done to prove us wrong? He knows how to clear a puck? Yikes. If that's what you're hanging your hat on, it sounds like you're giving up.

Literally multiple people last night were crushing his play and crushing Colliton's decision to play him as much as he did... so what it sounds like is while our minds were made up that he blows before he ever took the ice here, your mind was made up that he's good and will never suck. He sucks, dude. It's ok to admit you were wrong. I was wrong on Trubisky being average. I was wrong on Giolito being dogshit. It's fine to admit that Nylander is horrific.

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1 hour ago, soxfan49 said:

No one said he's Lidstrom. They said for an organization that can't seem to identify defensive talent anymore, it sure was a weird trade, especially for another fast forward who struggles with consistency. Doesn't that sound just like Nylander?

Let's say our minds were made up before he ever played for the team. What exactly has he done to prove us wrong? He knows how to clear a puck? Yikes. If that's what you're hanging your hat on, it sounds like you're giving up.

Literally multiple people last night were crushing his play and crushing Colliton's decision to play him as much as he did... so what it sounds like is while our minds were made up that he blows before he ever took the ice here, your mind was made up that he's good and will never suck. He sucks, dude. It's ok to admit you were wrong. I was wrong on Trubisky being average. I was wrong on Giolito being dogshit. It's fine to admit that Nylander is horrific.

No, I was hopeful that he'd be good. Nylander has disappointed even me. I like to watch the game with my eyes, idk about you. Nylander is one of the more defensively responsible forwards on the Hawks, who are devoid of defensively responsible forwards. He's probably the best skater out of all of the Hawks forwards.  Maybe the offense will come, maybe it won't. Right now, Nylander is a 30 pt/82 guy who is defensibly responsible. That's a solid 3rd liner. He was not acquired for that purpose, but he's not completely useless either. He hasn't done anything in the playoffs, but who has. Outside of a couple games the entire team has played like crap. Nobody on the Hawks should be immune to criticism, so it's not fair to single out Nylander. When Nylander was acquired I expected a flashy offensive player who was lazy on D. So far he's been the complete opposite. 
 

You can harp on Bowman for trading for Nylander, however I think you take that gamble (guy with with a high ceiling/low floor for guy with high floor/low ceiling) 10/10 times. That's my philosophy. It didn't work. You win some, you lose some. Bowman lost with Perlini too, but that was also worth the gamble. I wonder if Bowman will bail on Nylander as quickly as he did on Perlini. If he did, I wouldn't blame him. Also, when you make that gamble and it doesn't work bail asap, so some sucker gives you something of value in return. It's like going to the Casino with $100 and leaving with $60. You still lost but you didn't lose everything. 

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49 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

No, I was hopeful that he'd be good. Nylander has disappointed even me. I like to watch the game with my eyes, idk about you. Nylander is one of the more defensively responsible forwards on the Hawks, who are devoid of defensively responsible forwards. He's probably the best skater out of all of the Hawks forwards.  Maybe the offense will come, maybe it won't. Right now, Nylander is a 30 pt/82 guy who is defensibly responsible. That's a solid 3rd liner. He was not acquired for that purpose, but he's not completely useless either. He hasn't done anything in the playoffs, but who has. Outside of a couple games the entire team has played like crap. Nobody on the Hawks should be immune to criticism, so it's not fair to single out Nylander. When Nylander was acquired I expected a flashy offensive player who was lazy on D. So far he's been the complete opposite. 
 

You can harp on Bowman for trading for Nylander, however I think you take that gamble (guy with with a high ceiling/low floor for guy with high floor/low ceiling) 10/10 times. That's my philosophy. It didn't work. You win some, you lose some. Bowman lost with Perlini too, but that was also worth the gamble. I wonder if Bowman will bail on Nylander as quickly as he did on Perlini. If he did, I wouldn't blame him. Also, when you make that gamble and it doesn't work bail asap, so some sucker gives you something of value in return. It's like going to the Casino with $100 and leaving with $60. You still lost but you didn't lose everything. 

You're so full of shit, you don't even know what side you're on anymore. 

So Nylander is a solid third liner and has been OK for the Hawks.......or the Hawks should bail on him and Bowman wouldn't be wrong for doing it? You yourself just said the gamble didn't work. So which is it? 

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23 minutes ago, Tony said:

You're so full of shit, you don't even know what side you're on anymore. 

So Nylander is a solid third liner and has been OK for the Hawks.......or the Hawks should bail on him and Bowman wouldn't be wrong for doing it? You yourself just said the gamble didn't work. So which is it? 

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Those two opinions are not mutually exclusive. 

Nylander is a solid 3rd liner, but he plays best with North-South KISS players. The Hawks don't have a lot of those. It's a square peg/round hole issue.  

I'm fine with him getting traded just so you and everyone else would STFU. 

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2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Those two opinions are not mutually exclusive. 

Nylander is a solid 3rd liner, but he plays best with North-South KISS players. The Hawks don't have a lot of those. 

I'm fine with him getting traded just so you and everyone else would STFU. 

Ahhhhhh, so now Nylander's issues aren't his own....but we should blame them on the other players around Nylander. It's the Blackhawks fault he sucks. 

Got it, glad we cleared that up. 

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20 minutes ago, Tony said:

Ahhhhhh, so now Nylander's issues aren't his own....but we should blame them on the other players around Nylander. It's the Blackhawks fault he sucks. 

Got it, glad we cleared that up. 

Teravainen didn't fit here either. Neither did Kempny. Both went on to be decent players elsewhere. 

Not saying TT and Nylander are the same quality of player, but you get the picture. Sometimes it's just a bad fit. 

I will admit you could be right and he just sucks. However, there are much bigger fish to fry with this roster than Nylander. He's like 10th on the list of Hawks roster issues, and that is and always has been my point. So quit scapegoating him, and point the finger in the proper direction.

 

BTW I'm starting to see why some of you have been critical of Bowman. He's acquired a lot of talented players in a vacuum but the whole is less than the sum of its parts. It's like he's putting a team together in NHL 20 and not real life. Too many square pegs and round holes. 

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32 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Teravainen didn't fit here either. Neither did Kempny. Both went on to be decent players elsewhere. 

Not saying TT and Nylander are the same quality of player, but you get the picture. Sometimes it's just a bad fit. 

I will admit you could be right and he just sucks. However, there are much bigger fish to fry with this roster than Nylander. He's like 10th on the list of Hawks roster issues, and that is and always has been my point. So quit scapegoating him, and point the finger in the proper direction.

 

BTW I'm starting to see why some of you have been critical of Bowman. He's acquired a lot of talented players in a vacuum but the whole is less than the sum of its parts. It's like he's putting a team together in NHL 20 and not real life. Too many square pegs and round holes. 

I don't want to speak for everyone...but most of us don't give a shit about Nylander. I know you think you're smarter than everyone here....but we talk about Nylander so much ONLY because you defend him like you do. You've been wrong about it the entire time, and we have been telling you that basically since the time he got here, he isn't a good hockey player. We all know there are much bigger and different problems with the team. 

And now you're coming around on Bowman.......maybe, just maybe a few of us know what we are talking about...and possibly see things before you do in certain instances. 

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1 hour ago, Tony said:

I don't want to speak for everyone...but most of us don't give a shit about Nylander. I know you think you're smarter than everyone here....but we talk about Nylander so much ONLY because you defend him like you do. You've been wrong about it the entire time, and we have been telling you that basically since the time he got here, he isn't a good hockey player. We all know there are much bigger and different problems with the team. 

And now you're coming around on Bowman.......maybe, just maybe a few of us know what we are talking about...and possibly see things before you do in certain instances. 

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Had he just compared Nylander to Teravainen months ago, I would've known to ignore his hockey opinions then & saved myself a ton of headache

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1 hour ago, Tony said:

I don't want to speak for everyone...but most of us don't give a shit about Nylander. I know you think you're smarter than everyone here....but we talk about Nylander so much ONLY because you defend him like you do. You've been wrong about it the entire time, and we have been telling you that basically since the time he got here, he isn't a good hockey player. We all know there are much bigger and different problems with the team. 

And now you're coming around on Bowman.......maybe, just maybe a few of us know what we are talking about...and possibly see things before you do in certain instances. 

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Did you think Perlini sucked before he got here too? If so, maybe I'll stfu a bit more. I defended him all of the 2019 season before taking the L on that one. 

Basically what I'm saying is that I'm willing to take the L on Nylander if everyone would just STFU about it. 

Both Perlini and Nylander are the hockey equivalent of taking a flyer on Mazara. 

They're gambles that good teams make but you're going to strike out more than you hit a HR. Knowing when to bail is the key here. Like I said earlier, it's like going to the casino with $100 and leaving with $60. 

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You were wrong about Teravainen then Parkman and still are now. If Nylander even showed half of what Teravainen did in the playoffs I personally wouldn't be ridiculing him. I saw flashes from Teuvo when he was here when people (including you) and the media were giving him shit. I have not seen that from Nylander. Does he make the occasional good play defensively? Yes and I'm not saying he's a bad hockey player. But for his draft pedigree I don't want to see him be David Kampf out there (who btw is also producing more in the playoffs than he has while also taking the much tougher defensive assignments). 

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On 8/17/2020 at 5:35 PM, SoxAce said:

You were wrong about Teravainen then Parkman and still are now. If Nylander even showed half of what Teravainen did in the playoffs I personally wouldn't be ridiculing him. I saw flashes from Teuvo when he was here when people (including you) and the media were giving him shit. I have not seen that from Nylander. Does he make the occasional good play defensively? Yes and I'm not saying he's a bad hockey player. But for his draft pedigree I don't want to see him be David Kampf out there (who btw is also producing more in the playoffs than he has while also taking the much tougher defensive assignments). 

That's perfectly fair. No issues with this post. 

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Well.. Colliton did good by scratching Nylander. But not for John fucking Quenneville who is a much worse hockey player. 

No idea why they don't wanna draw Kurashev in. Hell, I'd rather freaking Sikura out there. Just making me miss Nylander. :lol: If they are going to make dumb decisions like that, then leave Nylander in the whole series. 

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If that was Crawford's final game as a Hawk then what a ride it's been.

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I feel like Keith was really bad tonight. He looks slow and was bad with the puck. He was a step late on the first three goals, and I’m pretty sure he was on the ice for all four goals against.

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10 minutes ago, Middle Buffalo said:

I feel like Keith was really bad tonight. He looks slow and was bad with the puck. He was a step late on the first three goals, and I’m pretty sure he was on the ice for all four goals against.

He's 37 with tons of mileage what do you expect. Keith is on his sunset tour. 

Because of the flat cap you won't get fair value if you trade Kane and/or Toews. 

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5 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

Launch Colliton into the sun. 

If Bowman won't do it launch him too. 

 

Launch him to fucking Saturn. The guy is a clueless moron and so is Bowman. 

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1 hour ago, soxfan49 said:

Good thing Bowman signed Maatta last offseason. Wonderful acquisition.

Maatta trade in a vacuum was fine

de Haan trade in a vacuum was fine

both combined sucked. 

I hated the Shaw move from the moment it was made. 

There was no reason to acquire one of Maatta/de Haan or Shaw. Caggiula does what Shaw does for half the price. 

They finally had cap space last year and they wasted it. 

They should have taken the #2/3 they traded for Shaw and moved it for Nylander, kept Jokiharju and acquired de Haan only. 

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2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Maatta trade in a vacuum was fine

de Haan trade in a vacuum was fine

both combined sucked. 

I hated the Shaw move from the moment it was made. 

There was no reason to acquire one of Maatta/de Haan or Shaw. Caggiula does what Shaw does for half the price. 

They finally had cap space last year and they wasted it. 

They should have taken the #2/3 they traded for Shaw and moved it for Nylander, kept Jokiharju and acquired de Haan only. 

The Maatta trade was always a longshot for success. I agree with the rest.

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Ugh.. not a fan of the Maatta deal. I understand it cause of the cap, but that guy is so underrated.

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