oldsox Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Several sources saying Padres trying real hard to get Archer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 11 hours ago, oldsox said: Several sources saying Padres trying real hard to get Archer. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 56 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: Why? Because they want to compete at some point in his 3 years of control. Personally, I think deGrom makes more sense. Same control but better pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 They are valuing him like an ace and I don't see it. Increasing ERA for several years and decreasing WAR. 4.0, 2.1, 1.3 and .5 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Archer is almost traded every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: They are valuing him like an ace and I don't see it. Increasing ERA for several years and decreasing WAR. 4.0, 2.1, 1.3 and .5 this year. He's the most overrated pitcher in baseball IMO. I would've said Sonny Gray before, but now people realize that he's not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 10 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: Because they want to compete at some point in his 3 years of control. Personally, I think deGrom makes more sense. Same control but better pitcher. If the Padres are just wanting to give away prospects for high uncertainty talented pitchers, the Sox could send Rodon for Tatis Jr., Mejia, and Morejon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I'll still believe it when I see it, but maybe they're actually serious this time (rays trading archer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 ¿Maybe it'll actually happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) The Pirates have struck a trade to acquire starter Chris Archer from the Rays, according to Stephen Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (via Twitter). Edited July 31, 2018 by wrathofhahn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Austin Meadows on the table according to Bowden. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Man the Rays OF is looking better after today with Pham and Meadows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 still rumored to get 1 more piece back as well, nice deal for TB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Seems like a crazy haul for Tampa. Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Sleepy Harold said: Wasn't that long ago we would have all been doing an Irish jig if Hahn got that back for Q. I like the return he received a little better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Seems like a crazy haul for Tampa. Wow I don't know why those guys supposedly weren't on the table for Quintana during winter of 17 when he hadn't fallen apart yet, and was just coming off his best season but were on the table for Archer, who is a worse pitcher than Quintana was at that time. Seems weird to me. Edited July 31, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't know why those guys supposedly weren't on the table for Quintana during winter of 17 when he hadn't fallen apart yet, and was just coming off his best season but were on the table for Archer, who is a worse pitcher than Quintana was at that time. This was a great haul by the Rays. Major overpayment by Pirates, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Jack Parkman said: I don't know why those guys supposedly weren't on the table for Quintana during winter of 17 when he hadn't fallen apart yet, and was just coming off his best season but were on the table for Archer, who is a worse pitcher than Quintana was at that time. Glasnow has kind of fallen off and Meadows has had his injury problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Ah, the two untouchables according to pirates fans. Dealt for a average pitcher who people only knew about because he played in the al east 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Wow, crazy trade here. Meadows + Glasnow should do well/have a better chance in the Rays org. As for Archer... not sure what the Pirates are doing there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, reiks12 said: Ah, the two untouchables according to pirates fans. Dealt for a average pitcher who people only knew about because he played in the al east To be fair...it is more that they dealt or a pitcher who hasn't been the same guy the past 2+ years. Prior to that, he was worth all of the hype out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Haven't Glasnow and Meadows stocks changed since that time frame as well? I would say definitely so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't know why those guys supposedly weren't on the table for Quintana during winter of 17 when he hadn't fallen apart yet, and was just coming off his best season but were on the table for Archer, who is a worse pitcher than Quintana was at that time. Well, the simple answer is their stock has fallen since then. But yeah, the Sox definitely came out ahead in the whole process! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, Jack Parkman said: I don't know why those guys supposedly weren't on the table for Quintana during winter of 17 when he hadn't fallen apart yet, and was just coming off his best season but were on the table for Archer, who is a worse pitcher than Quintana was at that time. Because he was perceived to be better pitcher than Q at that time too, even if not justified by stats. IF the various rumors on the Astros were to be believed, the guys we wanted from the Astros for Q (Musgrove et al) were offered for Archer with a little bit less for Q. So if that serves as a proxy for that time frame, then it seems Pirates just decided to go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, heirdog said: Because he was perceived to be better pitcher than Q at that time too, even if not justified by stats. IF the various rumors on the Astros were to be believed, the guys we wanted from the Astros for Q (Musgrove et al) were offered for Archer with a little bit less for Q. So if that serves as a proxy for that time frame, then it seems Pirates just decided to go for it. At that time, Archer had an extra year of control, so it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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