Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Eloy >>> Meadows without a doubt. Despite his defensive shortcomings, his bat has the potential to be a special weapon. a 60/65 hit tool combined with 70+ power is similar to what Giancarlo Stanton is, an offensive force. Cease's improvement puts him certainly ahead of Glasnow in value for me. Younger, and more likely to remain in the rotation. Not arguing Cease/Glasnow. I was just reading Fangraphs and they were talking about Meadows having to move to LF. If true, then this is no longer as close as I thought it was. In fact, it isn't close at all. I was under the impression that Meadows was a plus defender in CF. Good job on the Pirates to cash in on severely depreciating assets. Edited July 31, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Nice to see the Pirates showing some balls for once and going for it. Archer has good stuff and might thrive with a switch to the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, tlongo81@gmail.com said: Nice to see the Pirates showing some balls for once and going for it. Archer has good stuff and might thrive with a switch to the NL. I have Archer in my 30 team dynasty league, and I'm certainly happy he is out of the AL East. His peripherals of 3.62 FIP/xFIP indicate he has pitched pretty well. Could really improve pitching in the easier NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It will be interesting to watch in coming seasons. We'll see. Not arguing Cease/Glasnow. I was just reading Fangraphs and they were talking about Meadows having to move to LF. If true, then this is no longer as close as I thought it was. In fact, it isn't close at all. I was under the impression that Meadows was a plus defender in CF. Good job on the Pirates to cash in on severely depreciating assets. I don't ever remember hearing of Meadows as a plus CF, my memory is of them thinking he would take over Marte's LF spot and Marte would take over CF once McCutchen departed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: I don't ever remember hearing of Meadows as a plus CF, my memory is of them thinking he would take over Marte's LF spot and Marte would take over CF once McCutchen departed. Hm. Interesting. I don't know where I got that then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Hm. Interesting. I don't know where I got that then. I think there probably was talk of him being a plus LF and a replacement for Cutch, and that might have gotten put together as him being a CF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: I think there probably was talk of him being a plus LF and a replacement for Cutch, and that might have gotten put together as him being a CF? Ok makes sense. Makes all of my previous posts on the subject feel dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Small sample size but Meadows has been beyond horrible defensively in his stint with the Pirates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, fathom said: Small sample size but Meadows has been beyond horrible defensively in his stint with the Pirates. Wow. Makes me feel even more dumb. if both Meadows and Jimenez are bad at defense, then it is clear who the better player is. Edited July 31, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Not a bad deal for Pittsburgh. Glasnow and Meadows aren't worth what they were a year ago. Neither is Archer I suppose, but he has a track record at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Why do I feel like Glasnow is the perfect fit for TB and their unique “starting” rotation-by-committee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 hours ago, tlongo81@gmail.com said: Nice to see the Pirates showing some balls for once and going for it. Archer has good stuff and might thrive with a switch to the NL. You know what would really help them go for it? Not trading your ace this past offseason for scraps. It's good for them to make a move, but being a Pirates fan has gotta be tough, perpetually stuck in mediocrity with another rich owner crying cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: I'm not complaining really, but I'm not sure which package I like better tbh. Jimenez being a DH kind of makes this closer than at first glance. Where in the F is this coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Where in the F is this coming from? Um, Never mind. I was thinking out loud, and I had no idea that Meadows was a bad OF too. Move along. I thought Meadows was a plus CF, which is where the confusion set in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Said this a couple of years ago, but I would've traded Glasnow straight up for Fulmer back when Carson had high prospect appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) The Sox got an elite prospect. Tampa didn't. But they are two different types of trades. Tampa made a re-tooler trade for young ML players Sox made a rebuilder trade for prospects who were good ways away. Edited August 1, 2018 by GreenSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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flavum Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Mike Petriello. Can’t stand that guy. Not even kidding- if you start a game, you can’t pitch for three days after, including postseason...unless a game goes into extra innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 17 hours ago, bighurt574 said: Not a bad deal for Pittsburgh. Glasnow and Meadows aren't worth what they were a year ago. Neither is Archer I suppose, but he has a track record at least. Glasnow is being used as a reliever if it's a reliever and Meadows they won the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 21 hours ago, fathom said: Small sample size but Meadows has been beyond horrible defensively in his stint with the Pirates. You using metrics? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 On 7/31/2018 at 4:57 PM, Jack Parkman said: Wow. Makes me feel even more dumb. if both Meadows and Jimenez are bad at defense, then it is clear who the better player is. Meadows isn't near the prospect as Jimenez but 49 games isn't enough of a datapoint to use advanced stats. Also Meadows played CF in the minors. Pitt dimensions are pretty tough as well. The major difference is Jimenez has so much more power. He's got 30-40HR pop. Meadows is more of a 15-20 guy. Meadows sort of has to play CF to be a hugely impactful guy. Jimenez doesn't his bat plays anywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 A nice PTBNL get for TB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Just now, Sleepy Harold said: A nice PTBNL get for TB. Wow, that's a pretty considerable third piece to that trade. I feel the Rays did pretty well here nabbing Glasnow, Meadows and Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Wow, that's a pretty considerable third piece to that trade. I feel the Rays did pretty well here nabbing Glasnow, Meadows and Baz. I hope the Sox can get a similar package for Rodon this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I don't like using this word so early in the trade but hard not to think the Rays fleeced the Pirates here. Archer is so meh for mortgaging that much control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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