soxfan49 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 years, $18m fully guaranteed with $11m in bonuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 47 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Here comes Roquan, says Schefter 47 minutes ago, bmags said: Nice. He just didn't want to go to bourbannais, can't blame him. Nah..he was waiting for me to make my post...damn, had I known that I would have posted about Smith missing the entire preseason a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LittleHurt05 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Good news to have Roquan on board, I was starting to get nervous he would miss regular season games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Chisoxfn said: It seems pretty likely this holdout is going the whole off-season and will probably end right before the regular season (when guys start actually losing money). Congrats on causing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 16 hours ago, ptatc said: Ever been to Brickstone brewery? You missing a good one. Their APA is my #1 go to right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 14 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Congrats on causing this. Take that Cowley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: Their APA is my #1 go to right now Forbidden wheat is mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/14/bears-roquan-smith-reached-a-compromise-on-issue-of-voided-guarantees/ Seems like some reasonable wins here for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, bmags said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/14/bears-roquan-smith-reached-a-compromise-on-issue-of-voided-guarantees/ Seems like some reasonable wins here for players. I disagree, actually. He's never going to be the type of guy who gets 3+ games for on-field stuff. Only Burfict has gotten something like this over the last 10 years. He'll never get 2+ games for defending himself or a teammate. He would almost have to drag someone by their dick off of the field to get 2+. He isn't going to get 2+ games for a post play infraction either because that would also require him to do something insane or go after a ref. The only chance for his guarantees to be voided is a 1+ game suspension for being deemed the aggressor. If that's really what he was holding out for, the Bears should have caved weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, bmags said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/14/bears-roquan-smith-reached-a-compromise-on-issue-of-voided-guarantees/ Seems like some reasonable wins here for players. Not really, considering the Bears position from the start was that they are reasonable with not taking away guaranteed money from players and have never done so for these types of infractions. Now the agents made it easy to fine them as it's in written in the contract and no longer an option for the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: I disagree, actually. He's never going to be the type of guy who gets 3+ games for on-field stuff. Only Burfict has gotten something like this over the last 10 years. He'll never get 2+ games for defending himself or a teammate. He would almost have to drag someone by their dick off of the field to get 2+. He isn't going to get 2+ games for a post play infraction either because that would also require him to do something insane or go after a ref. The only chance for his guarantees to be voided is a 1+ game suspension for being deemed the aggressor. If that's really what he was holding out for, the Bears should have caved weeks ago. Yes. He was holding out for having no guaranteed money taken away for any game incident not included in a play. This compromise is a way to save face for the agency because they only agreed to situations that never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, ptatc said: Yes. He was holding out for having no guaranteed money taken away for any game incident not included in a play. This compromise is a way to save face for the agency because they only agreed to situations that never happen. Yeah, he would really have to f*** up quite a bit to get any guaranteed money voided in this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Because the only thing better than Bud Light, is stale and expired Bud Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Awesome promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Because the only thing better than Bud Light, is stale and expired Bud Light. Unfortunately they taste the same. (Knowledge from college) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: Unfortunately they taste the same. (Knowledge from college) Was just about to post this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Bud Light rules. Suck it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Brian said: Bud Light rules. Suck it That explains a number of your views and posts. It's poisoned your brain. Jk. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 4 hours ago, soxfan49 said: I disagree, actually. He's never going to be the type of guy who gets 3+ games for on-field stuff. Only Burfict has gotten something like this over the last 10 years. He'll never get 2+ games for defending himself or a teammate. He would almost have to drag someone by their dick off of the field to get 2+. He isn't going to get 2+ games for a post play infraction either because that would also require him to do something insane or go after a ref. The only chance for his guarantees to be voided is a 1+ game suspension for being deemed the aggressor. If that's really what he was holding out for, the Bears should have caved weeks ago. I don't understand this logic. His contract protects his guaranteed money unless he gets the suspension lengths you mention, which means unless he gets the 4 game vontez burfect suspension, the team cannot take away guarantees from on field suspensions. Think about the whole helmet stuff, this protects against the uncertainty of if suspensions go hog wild. Quote "Smith can be suspended one or two games for a violation of the rules that apply during a given play with no consequence to his future guarantees. He can be suspended one or two games multiple times with no consequence to his future guarantees. Smith loses the guarantees only if a suspension of three or more games is imposed on him." And no, if I had millions on the line in a league that is predicated on weeding out poor performing or outspoken athletes, I would not take the handshake guarantee that my employer would not take away guarantees for on the field conduct even as they maintain they must keep legal option to do so. If they would never use it, then they shouldn't feel bad about taking it out of the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, bmags said: I don't understand this logic. His contract protects his guaranteed money unless he gets the suspension lengths you mention, which means unless he gets the 4 game vontez burfect suspension, the team cannot take away guarantees from on field suspensions. Think about the whole helmet stuff, this protects against the uncertainty of if suspensions go hog wild. And no, if I had millions on the line in a league that is predicated on weeding out poor performing or outspoken athletes, I would not take the handshake guarantee that my employer would not take away guarantees for on the field conduct even as they maintain they must keep legal option to do so. If they would never use it, then they shouldn't feel bad about taking it out of the contract. The Bears actually agreed to the protection for "during play suspensions" weeks ago. That was when the agency wanted to include in game, not pertaining to playing suspensions such as fights, pushing a referee etc. This is where the holdout has dragged on. He still isn't protected against being outspoken such as the CB from Jacksonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Josh Allen pretty much has the reigns now, McCarron broke his collarbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Josh Allen pretty much has the reigns now, McCarron broke his collarbone That is gonna be one highly entertaining trainwreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, LittleHurt05 said: That is gonna be one highly entertaining trainwreck. If they were making the best football moves they could, IMO they'd bring in Kaepernick and have Peterman and Kaepernick be their starters at least for the first few games, then you Trubisky the team later in the year and come back ready for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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