wrathofhahn Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Never made the catch. Pulled one of the best fast ones on a ump in MLB history. https://www.mlb.com/cut4/todd-frazier-tricked-umpires-with-rubber-ball/c-293382054 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 In golf he would be an ass. But this is pretty awesome, especially considering the ball he had was rubber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: In golf he would be an ass. But this is pretty awesome, especially considering the ball he had was rubber. What are the chances another ball would be right there haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 How is this not cheating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: How is this not cheating? The White Sox have been beneficiaries of "cheating". Josh Paul didn't muff the strikeout to AJP in the ALCS in 2005. And Jermaine Dye wasn't HBP to load the bases for Paulie in the 2005 WS. It's whatever you can get away with, unless you are playing golf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: How is this not cheating? It's no different than guys selling getting hit by pitches or OF trapping balls on diving plays (doesn't happen anymore due to replay though). This is something that someone should have been watching in the clubhouse and deciding that they should review. Edited September 6, 2018 by soxfan2014 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: The White Sox have been beneficiaries of "cheating". Josh Paul didn't muff the strikeout to AJP in the ALCS in 2005. And Jermaine Dye wasn't HBP to load the bases for Paulie in the 2005 WS. It's whatever you can get away with, unless you are playing golf. I guess, but I mean this is pretty bad. If they caught him doing it in real time it's probably a rejection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: It's no different than guys selling getting hit by pitches or OF trapping balls on diving plays (doesn't happen anymore due to replay though). This is something that someone should have been watching in the clubhouse and deciding that they should review. Yeah, something about this screams red-handed deception. He brought an unofficial ball into the field of play. I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: I guess, but I mean this is pretty bad. If they caught him doing it in real time it's probably a rejection. It would just be a foul ball. Edited September 6, 2018 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: Yeah, something about this screams red-handed deception. He brought an unofficial ball into the field of play. I dunno. I'd be more bothered if he had hid the ball somewhere before the game started and had this planned out for weeks. It was a split second decision when you're trying to win. I wouldn't teach the move to my kids, but it's not pre-meditated cheating by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: It would just be a foul ball. I misspelled "ejection" Sorry, I'm actually working a night shift in the Philippines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: I guess, but I mean this is pretty bad. If they caught him doing it in real time it's probably a rejection. There was another incident about a week ago where a catcher made a tag play with his mitt and the ball was in his hand . The ump called him out and the Nationals (the team that the call went against) had their people look at it and decided not to challenge . Their replay people missed the fact that the ball was in the catchers hand not the mitt too, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I am surprised there hasn't been more outrage over this incident. I am thinking back to the raging anger that happened when Arod was on as a baserunner on pretended to call off an infielder on a pop up, which subsequently fell to the ground. I would call this a worse offense, so where is the outrage machine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I am surprised there hasn't been more outrage over this incident. I am thinking back to the raging anger that happened when Arod was on as a baserunner on pretended to call off an infielder on a pop up, which subsequently fell to the ground. I would call this a worse offense, so where is the outrage machine? I could see them suspending him for a game for something like this as it is blatant deception, however it's Todd Frazier. Real talk: no one cares about him. A-Rod just makes people mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, AustinIllini said: I could see them suspending him for a game for something like this as it is blatant deception, however it's Todd Frazier. Real talk: no one cares about him. A-Rod just makes people mad. The real answer is that ESPN makes money and kept eyes and ears on their networks by making controversies out of things ARoid did during his career and that's why it was "controversial". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The real answer is that ESPN makes money and kept eyes and ears on their networks by making controversies out of things ARoid did during his career and that's why it was "controversial". So why isn't this controversial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: So why isn't this controversial? Because ESPN doesn't make enough money off Todd Frazier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Because ESPN doesn't make enough money off Todd Frazier. And a bad Mets team only matters when one of their pitchers goes down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Because ESPN doesn't make enough money off Todd Frazier. They make money off of making people controversial. Kapernick was nobody three years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They make money off of making people controversial. Kapernick was nobody three years ago. I can think of one important difference between Todd Frazier and Colin Kaepernick that might make it more far more profitable to turn people against the latter of those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I can think of one important difference between Todd Frazier and Colin Kaepernick that might make it more far more profitable to turn people against the latter of those two. And also has been far from the only one kneeling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) This made me laugh, well played Todd. Not that I condone cheating but some of the things ball players do makes me laugh. This is one of my all time favorites... Edited September 6, 2018 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I can think of one important difference between Todd Frazier and Colin Kaepernick that might make it more far more profitable to turn people against the latter of those two. Also, it's not worth comparing baseball players to NBA or NFL players. None of the baseball players draw as much controversy or discussion as the equivalent NBA player. Just the nature of the game. NFL and NBA are just better at marketing players and are real-world more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I think he should be suspended. I think there is a clear difference between selling a call to an ump and bringing a fake ball onto the field of play. I also think its amazing and hilarious he got away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 22 hours ago, AustinIllini said: I guess, but I mean this is pretty bad. If they caught him doing it in real time it's probably a rejection. Really highly doubtful. He landed full speed, flipped and had just knocked that ball off of the ledge behind the railing. He knew he didn't have the ball and he saw one right in front of him. Said he didn't know it was rubber until he had it and I actually believe him. He just saw a baseball and who would be thinking "well, of course this COULD also be a fake rubber ball in the EXACT same spot that one just came out of my glove in a major league baseball game" Nah, you just grab it and try to sell it. It's what all players do. Other teams do it to you - you do it to them. It's apart of the game. Put it this way - not even a whisper of a fine = ejection wouldn't even be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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