Sonny Gray

[Balta1701]

14 hours ago, greg775 said:

I never thought baseball would become football where 30 is really old. I guess baseball might go all the way to 32 before the player is deemed somebody to be avoided if significant dollars are being discussed.

Since of course you never actually bother to look, here's the average age of batters and pitchers over a two decade stretch.

Literally your entire life, fewer than 1/2 the players in the big leagues have been over 30. The time it got closest was, for obvious reasons, the peak of the steroid era, because you had guys like tetrahydrogestrinone using the stuff to extend their careers. 

And...guess what...since 2012...the average MLB age has gone back up, not down. It was 28.9 last year, matching what it was in 2010.

[Dick Allen]

The thing is, players don't seem to be as effective as they age,  as before. It used to be many guys seemed like they could play until 40. Now, 32 is old.

This year age 32 and over only 12 players had a 2.0 fWAR or higher. Only 5 had over 3.0

Age 35 and over only 5 had a 2.0 fWAR or higher, only 1 over 2.5.

 

These are just hitters. Pitchers actually seem to age a little better. 

 

Carlton Fisk signed with the White Sox when he was a 33 year old catcher. He had 6 seasons over 3.0 fWAR and would have had another had there been no strike. He also had a 2.9. 

Edited October 16, 2018 by Dick Allen

[TaylorStSox]

Everyone is asking "what," when they should be asking "why." Why in the hell would we want to trade for Sonny Gray in another year where we'll probably lose 90-100 games? 

[Balta1701]

23 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

Everyone is asking "what," when they should be asking "why." Why in the hell would we want to trade for Sonny Gray in another year where we'll probably lose 90-100 games? 

Because we still are going to play these games, there are 162 games scheduled on the calendar, these games will not be forfeited, and the White Sox have currently 3 starting pitchers, one of whom already has a shoulder thing. At the very least, the White Sox are going to find 2 additional starting pitchers, and there is no sign that they think the ones in their organization are ready to do that in April, so they need 2 starting pitchers by April 1. Ideally, those starting pitchers should be: fairly cheap monetarily, extremely cheap in terms of prospects, signed to short enough contracts that they won't be in the way when Cease and Kopech are ready, and it would be especially nice if they had some upside like having been decently valuable pitchers or even an all star within the past few seasons such that there's some hope they might snap back into form and turn themselves into a strong tradeable asset by the deadline (similar to, for example, Joakim Soria). 

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

Gray and Eovaldi...I'm telling y'all.

[elrockinMT]

On 10/14/2018 at 7:51 AM, Flash said:

Cashman on record Yankees will seek to trade Sonny Gray. Return expectations wouldn't seem too high. Huge delta between his home vs. away splits suggest there might be change of scenery improvement potential. Wonder what it might take in trade for both Gray and Greg Bird, LH hitting 1B rendered redundant by Voit's performance. 

I think Gray is too prone to injuries and his effectiveness is not what it used to be 

[Balta1701]

Just now, elrockinMT said:

I think Gray is too prone to injuries and his effectiveness is not what it used to be 

Sounds like a great fit for us.