ChiSox59 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 A little bored at work today, so decided to start a fun thread on offseason moves. The idea isn't necessarily to predict what you think would happen, but what you would try do if you were in Rick Hahn's spot. I decided to have a little fun with mine, so its definitely far-fetched. But I think this is a team that could be super interested, adds guys to the next core without compromising the future, and stays within a payroll range that the Sox have operated at before the rebuild. My offseason moves: Sign Machado - 8 years @ $290M Sign AJ Pollock - 3 years @ $68M Sign Hyun-Jin Ryu - 2 years @ $19M Sign Daniel Hudson - 2 years @ $11M Trade Avi Garcia, Blake Rutherford and Jimmy Lambert for Jon Gray and Colton Welker Trade Kevan Smith or add him to DFA list below if needed DFA: LaMarre, Tilson, Scahill, Gomez and Farquahar Let FA to be Shields, Gonzalez, Santiago walk Roster as of May 1st (estimated 2019 salary): 1B: Abreu ($18M) 2B: Moncada ($570k) SS: Anderson ($1.4M) 3B: Machado ($37M) LF: Leury Garcia ($2M) CF: Pollock ($23M) RF: Eloy ($560k) DH: Palka ($560k) / Davidson ($1M) platoon Catcher: Castillo ($7.25M) / Narvaez ($570k) platoon BN: Davidson, Narvaez, Yolmer ($3.5M) and Engel ($560k) Rotation: Rodon ($3.5M), Lopez ($570k), Giolito ($570k), Ryu ($10M) and Gray ($2.5M) Bullpen: Jones ($1.25M), Hamilton ($560k), Hudson ($5.5M), Fry ($560k), Frare ($560k), Ruiz ($560k) and Burdi ($560k) Total payroll: ~ $122.75M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Buy Machado. Buy Harper. Buy Kershaw. Win Everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: Buy Machado. Buy Harper. Buy Kershaw. Win Everything. Balls to the wall, do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Sign Corbin - 4 yrs/80M Sign Machado - 8yrs/280M or Donaldson - 3 yrs/70M Sign Herrara - 3 yrs/27M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Sign Machado for 8 years/$280m (opt-outs after years 4 and 5 so there is incentive to perform in those years and the team gets him for a guarantee 4 years; whatever offer he accepts is going to include them). Edited October 25, 2018 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Trade Abreu Trade Sanchez Trade Rodon --------------------------------------- Sign Joe Kelly 3/21 Sign Garret Richards 3/30 Sign Lance Lynn 1/12 Sign Cody Allen 1/8 Sign AJ Ramos 1/4 Sign Marwin Gonzalez to play LF 1/5 Sign Matt Adams 1/3 Sign Brett Gardner 1/6 Sign Josh Donaldson 1/18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: A little bored at work today, so decided to start a fun thread on offseason moves. The idea isn't necessarily to predict what you think would happen, but what you would try do if you were in Rick Hahn's spot. I decided to have a little fun with mine, so its definitely far-fetched. But I think this is a team that could be super interested, adds guys to the next core without compromising the future, and stays within a payroll range that the Sox have operated at before the rebuild. My offseason moves: Sign Machado - 8 years @ $290M Sign AJ Pollock - 3 years @ $68M Sign Hyun-Jin Ryu - 2 years @ $19M Sign Daniel Hudson - 2 years @ $11M Trade Avi Garcia, Blake Rutherford and Jimmy Lambert for Jon Gray and Colton Welker Trade Kevan Smith or add him to DFA list below if needed DFA: LaMarre, Tilson, Scahill, Gomez and Farquahar Let FA to be Shields, Gonzalez, Santiago walk Roster as of May 1st (estimated 2019 salary): 1B: Abreu ($18M) 2B: Moncada ($570k) SS: Anderson ($1.4M) 3B: Machado ($37M) LF: Leury Garcia ($2M) CF: Pollock ($23M) RF: Eloy ($560k) DH: Palka ($560k) / Davidson ($1M) platoon Catcher: Castillo ($7.25M) / Narvaez ($570k) platoon BN: Davidson, Narvaez, Yolmer ($3.5M) and Engel ($560k) Rotation: Rodon ($3.5M), Lopez ($570k), Giolito ($570k), Ryu ($10M) and Gray ($2.5M) Bullpen: Jones ($1.25M), Hamilton ($560k), Hudson ($5.5M), Fry ($560k), Frare ($560k), Ruiz ($560k) and Burdi ($560k) Total payroll: ~ $122.75M Yeah that aint happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Buy the Cubs and trade their entire roster to the White Sox, replace their players with circus clowns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 In all seriousness, I also end up with two of these - what I think the Sox should do, and what I think they will do. What I think they will do is depressing me, so i'll probably just ignore it this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: Yeah that aint happening What do you think Ryu will get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Well i've been doing those Fangraphs contract crowdsource things and I pegged Ryu as getting roughly double that over 3 years. That feels conservative though, he'll probably get more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Why not dish out $100M+ AAV? Everyone else is minimum for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: Trade Abreu Trade Sanchez Trade Rodon --------------------------------------- Sign Joe Kelly 3/21 Sign Garret Richards 3/30 Sign Lance Lynn 1/12 Sign Cody Allen 1/8 Sign AJ Ramos 1/4 Sign Marwin Gonzalez to play LF 1/5 Sign Matt Adams 1/3 Sign Brett Gardner 1/6 Sign Josh Donaldson 1/18 Lance Lynn will most definitely get more money/years than he did coming off a bad season and tied to draft pick compensation. Your forecast for what Marwin Gonzalez will get is also way off. He’ll get three to four years with an AAV close to $10m I’d wager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, wrathofhahn said: Trade Abreu - Yes Trade Sanchez - Rather not trade the small chance he explodes for the marginal value he'd bring Trade Rodon - sure if the value is there. --------------------------------------- Sign Joe Kelly 3/21 - No Sign Garret Richards 3/30 - No Sign Lance Lynn 1/12 No Sign Cody Allen 1/8 yes Sign AJ Ramos 1/4 -sure, why not; maybe Coop can fix. Sign Marwin Gonzalez to play LF 1/5 Yes Sign Matt Adams 1/3 No Sign Brett Gardner 1/6 No Sign Josh Donaldson 1/18 Yes This is a nice thorough plan, but not overwhelming, so I'll comment above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 54 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: What do you think Ryu will get? around 4/60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: A little bored at work today, so decided to start a fun thread on offseason moves. The idea isn't necessarily to predict what you think would happen, but what you would try do if you were in Rick Hahn's spot. I decided to have a little fun with mine, so its definitely far-fetched. But I think this is a team that could be super interested, adds guys to the next core without compromising the future, and stays within a payroll range that the Sox have operated at before the rebuild. .500ish if the pitching holds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Sign Manny Machado for 10 years and $300 million, with opt outs after year 4 and year 7. Sign Andrew McCutchen for 2 years and $30 million. Sign Trevor Cahill for 2 years and $20 million. Sign Jeurys Familia sign for 2 years and $15 million. Sign Kelvin Herrera for 2 years and $15 million. Sign James Shields for 1 year and $2 million. Lineup: 2B Moncada CF McCutchen 3B Machado 1B Abreu LF Jimenez DH Palka RF Garcia C Castillo SS Anderson Bench: IF Sanchez OF Engel IF/OF Leury Garcia C Narvaez Rotation: Rodon Lopez Giolito Cahill Shields Bullpen: Fry Frare Bummer Minaya Jones Herrera Familia Edited October 25, 2018 by Whitesox27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Lance Lynn will most definitely get more money/years than he did coming off a bad season and tied to draft pick compensation. Your forecast for what Marwin Gonzalez will get is also way off. He’ll get three to four years with an AAV close to $10m I’d wager. Huh? Why would Marwin get those kind of numbers? Also Lance Lynn had an ok year but 10=10 4.77 ERA doesn't scream big money or term to me. If anything he should be worth less because he had a much better year in 2017. Thing is for me I'm willing to take chance because his stuff is still solid but you are right at his age he maybe more interested in term. Just don't see a ton of teams offering it he may get 2-3 years for really low money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 IMO, the only way the Sox sign Machado is if they front load the contract. Obviously they will need to add opt out years too. Something like 40 mll the first year or 35 mil the first two years. The opt out needs to be at earliest after year 4. Ideally, it is after year 5. Dump Avi and contribute that payroll to Machado. If it doesn't bother Machado, nontender Abreu as well. Contribute that salary to Machado. The Sox need to do everything in their power to get Machado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Nick Castellanos is guy that hasn't been talked about a whole lot but would look in great in the Sox outfield. He isn't a free agent until after next season but he'll only be 28 on Opening Day 2020 and can flat out hit. Stealing him from the Tigers would be a plus as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) DFA: Kevan Smith, Charlie Tilson, Ryan LaMarre, Rob Schaill, Jeanmar Gomez, and Danny Farquar Gone due to free agency: James Shields, Hector Santiago, and Miguel Gonzalez Extension: Jose Abreu 4 years/65 million Trades: Blake Rutherford, Avisail Garcia, Seby Zavala, and Carson Fulmer to the Rockies for Jon Gray and Peter Lambert Nicky Delmonico will get traded just don't know for what. Free Agents: 3B Josh Donaldson 2 years/30 million CF Andrew McCutchen 2 years/25 million SP Gio Gonzalez 1 year/6 million RF Marwin Gonzalez 4 years/50 million Lineup 2B Yoan Moncada CF Andrew McCutchen 1B Jose Abreu 3B Josh Donaldson LF Eloy Jimenez (Palka until he comes up in April) RF Marwin Gonzalez DH Daniel Palka C Wellington Castillo SS Tim Anderson Bench C Omar Narvaez 1B/3B Matt Davidson UTIL Yolmer Sanchez OF Adam Engel Starting Rotation SP Carlos Rodon SP Reynaldo Lopez SP Jon Gray SP Lucas Giolito SP Gio Gonzalez Bullpen Dylan Covey (long man) Aaron Bummer Ryan Burr Juan Minaya Jace Fry Ian Hamilton Nate Jones I think we miss out on Machado and Harper but they would definitely be 1A and 1B this off season. Thoughts? Edited October 26, 2018 by GGajewski18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: Huh? Why would Marwin get those kind of numbers? Also Lance Lynn had an ok year but 10=10 4.77 ERA doesn't scream big money or term to me. If anything he should be worth less because he had a much better year in 2017. Thing is for me I'm willing to take chance because his stuff is still solid but you are right at his age he maybe more interested in term. Just don't see a ton of teams offering it he may get 2-3 years for really low money. Because Marwin is incredibly versatile, a league average hitter or better, and still under 30. I bet he gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 3/$36M. FWIW, James Fegan had him as a possibility to us at 4/$70M, which sounds crazy to me but he’s gonna get paid a decent amount. As for Lynn, he was a significantly better pitcher in 2018 than 2017, ERA be damned. And his velocity also returned to form making him a much more attractive pitcher. I threw out a 2/$35M contract idea in another thread and I’m not even sure that will be enough. He’s certainly getting more than he did last offseason when he cost the Twins a draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: Nick Castellanos is guy that hasn't been talked about a whole lot but would look in great in the Sox outfield. He isn't a free agent until after next season but he'll only be 28 on Opening Day 2020 and can flat out hit. Stealing him from the Tigers would be a plus as well. How do you suggest “stealing” him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: How do you suggest “stealing” him? Signing him when he hits free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Because Marwin is incredibly versatile, a league average hitter or better, and still under 30. I bet he gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 3/$36M. FWIW, James Fegan had him as a possibility to us at 4/$70M, which sounds crazy to me but he’s gonna get paid a decent amount. As for Lynn, he was a significantly better pitcher in 2018 than 2017, ERA be damned. And his velocity also returned to form making him a much more attractive pitcher. I threw out a 2/$35M contract idea in another thread and I’m not even sure that will be enough. He’s certainly getting more than he did last offseason when he cost the Twins a draft pick. Well it's hard to predict free agency but going off last year I can't see any of those numbers happening. Isn't James f**an an agent? You look at what Yonder Alonso got which was 2/18 and he was coming off a better season. I could see him maybe getting that if someone really wanted him but if someone wants to do better let them I'm just looking at him as a bounce back guy. Edit: NVM that is Dan Fegan Edited October 26, 2018 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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