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3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

This is Scott Boras. That would never happen. Even if they were the highest bid, he is looking for more.

 

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

The problem is if you remember the Arod negotiations, he had the Rangers negotiating against themselves, and wasn't telling them what other teams offered on purpose to keep the Rangers bidding higher.  I agree it sounds nothing like Boars.

 

Who knows. Im not saying that this is what Boras is doing, but just answering how/why someone could do it. The only leverage the Sox have is if they are theoretically the highest offer on both Machado and Harper, and have told the agents they will only sign 1. So lets say they are much higher than any other team right now, it creates an incentive for Boras to actually be honest with them. 

Again this is entirely speculation. But it would put Boras in somewhat of a bind if the Sox are the highest bidder (significantly) and there is a risk that they will entirely pull the bid. A-Rod there wasnt that risk because he was the only game in town. 

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4 minutes ago, peavy44 said:

Omg boras is not in control in my post it said harper is in control not boras

Then why will he wind up paying Boras an 8 figure commission?

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Just now, Dick Allen said:

Then why will he wind up paying Boras an 8 figure commission?

and for someone about to make one of the biggest free agent decisions, if not the biggest, in sports history....his buddies sure have loose lips :)

Just kidding peavy, I appreciate you sharing everything today.

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Just now, Soxbadger said:

 

 

Who knows. Im not saying that this is what Boras is doing, but just answering how/why someone could do it. The only leverage the Sox have is if they are theoretically the highest offer on both Machado and Harper, and have told the agents they will only sign 1. So lets say they are much higher than any other team right now, it creates an incentive for Boras to actually be honest with them. 

Again this is entirely speculation. But it would put Boras in somewhat of a bind if the Sox are the highest bidder (significantly) and there is a risk that they will entirely pull the bid. A-Rod there wasnt that risk because he was the only game in town. 

What would he gain by telling the White Sox they are the high bidder? If anything, if he circled back, he would be in danger of the Sox lowering their bid because they may feel they are then too high.

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7 minutes ago, fathom said:

especially with the Winter Meetings not even happening yet and Machado still on the market.  I fully expect Manny to sign first, and then Harper sees how desperate the Phillies/Yankees get.

I don’t think it will work that way.  Harper will likely go first IMO because he’s the more desirable player.  If you’re Boras, what do you gain having one less team in the mix?

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1 minute ago, fathom said:

and for someone about to make one of the biggest free agent decisions, if not the biggest, in sports history....his buddies sure have loose lips :)

Just kidding peavy, I appreciate you sharing everything today.

Hey, Dr. Dre nearly spoiled his billion dollar deal with Apple by making a 3 am facebook video with tyrese claiming he's hip hops first billionaire.

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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

What would he gain by telling the White Sox they are the high bidder? If anything, if he circled back, he would be in danger of the Sox lowering their bid because they may feel they are then too high.

And most importantly, NOT bidding higher because they are the leader.  It goes against everything he has ever done before.

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Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t think it will work that way.  Harper will likely go first IMO because he’s the more desirable player.  If you’re Boras, what do you gain having one less team in the mix?

Well you have the Phillies saying they'll offer "stupid" money and seemingly desperate to sign one of the big 2.  If they miss out on Manny, then maybe they get into that stupid range.

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1 minute ago, Ross Gload Fan said:

Ugh, I so badly want to give into the excitement of this.

I don't wanna end up with Carlos Boozer again :(

oh god, Grandal is so Carlos Boozer (who by the way, Grandal fits what Hahn says about someone they would value for the future that they can't help when he's available.  They've liked him in the past and they can point to his defensive stats).

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8 minutes ago, peavy44 said:

The cubs have no money

The Cubs have a lot of money. And are about to get a lot more. Whether they have the appetite to pay a big tax is anyone’s guess, but they are printing money, and their debt problem was solved when they took on a minority powerless owner.

Look at Forbes. It said the White Sox made 30 million in 2017, and the Cubs made 102 million. Who do you really think out of the 2 will get the better TV deal? If the White Sox can afford everybody, the Cubs can afford everybody and then some.

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1 minute ago, Ross Gload Fan said:

Ugh, I so badly want to give into the excitement of this.

I don't wanna end up with Carlos Boozer again :(

I dont want to hear the "we tried" excuse either if we miss out. 

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1 minute ago, fathom said:

Well you have the Phillies saying they'll offer "stupid" money and seemingly desperate to sign one of the big 2.  If they miss out on Manny, then maybe they get into that stupid range.

But Boras also won't know what the offers to Machado are. He could easily be sitting there with the highest offer he has being the Phillies or White Sox offer, then Machado could sign with that team, and harper's best offer is then pulled.

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3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

What would he gain by telling the White Sox they are the high bidder? If anything, if he circled back, he would be in danger of the Sox lowering their bid because they may feel they are then too high.

 

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

And most importantly, NOT bidding higher because they are the leader.  It goes against everything he has ever done before.

The hypothetical was, why would he do it. I presented a reason why Boras would.

Sox have offers for Machado/Harper both at 10/400 mil. They tell both agents, whoever takes our offer signs first. Machado's people tell Sox that they are close. They circle back to Boras and he then says "You are the leader but we wont sign now unless it for 10/500".

/shrugs

Again, someone asked why, I answered. I never said it was likely or happening, just gave a reason why it could happen. You dont have to believe it is, but you cant just dismiss that it cant be.

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6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Then why will he wind up paying Boras an 8 figure commission?

Here's where you're mistaken, the source who's giving us all this information isn't from the boras camp or the sox camp. It's through harper's personal camp. So it's probably very possible that if this is true, boras hasn't even told the sox they're the highest.

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3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The Cubs have a lot of money. And are about to get a lot more. Whether they have the appetite to pay a big tax is anyone’s guess, but they are printing money, and their debt problem was solved when they took on a minority powerless owner.

The cubs will not outbid the sox. That is a fact. I'd bet my house on it.

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Just now, Dick Allen said:

The Cubs have a lot of money. And are about to get a lot more. Whether they have the appetite to pay a big tax is anyone’s guess, but they are printing money, and their debt problem was solved when they took on a minority powerless owner.

Solving their debt problem doesn’t mean they don’t have debt that still needs to be paid off.  And we all need to remember the Cubs are owned by a legit trust fund.  They aren’t Pizza Man who was able to pump all that Little Ceaser’s cash into the team.  Until that new TV deal money comes, they have to remain somewhat frugal.

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1 minute ago, whitesoxwinner said:

Here's where you're mistaken, the source who's giving us all this information isn't from the boras camp or the sox camp. It's through harper's personal camp. So it's probably very possible that if this is true, boras hasn't even told the sox they're the highest.

But DA said we have pretty much no shot at either so he is gonna find what fits his narrative.

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20 minutes ago, Lillian said:

If they sign Harper, they will need to allocate a substantial amount of capital to acquire the needed pitching, both starters and at least one more reliever. Spending all of the money on two offensive players, without adequate pitching, is not advisable.

I understand but there is no starter out market that is even close to those to in ability and marketability. Not even close. Also next year you might be able to attract a decent pitcher(Sale) or 2 for less than normal pay with those guys on your team.

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Just now, whitesoxwinner said:

The cubs will not outbid the sox. That is a fact. I'd bet my house on it.

What if (and this is just hypothetical), they're able to unload Heyward on someone by giving up Contreras and Happ, etc?

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48 minutes ago, fathom said:

To me, that barbershop tidbit is BS.  If that business meant so much to him, they could just open up one wherever he goes.  

Oh yeah, with what money Fathom???

WITH WHAT MONEY

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Just now, fathom said:

What if (and this is just hypothetical), they're able to unload Heyward on someone by giving up Contreras and Happ, etc?

I'd put the odds on that happening at like 1%. No one in their right mind is going to take on that atrocious contract. The Cubs would have to package him with guys already on the MLB roster (Schwarber, Happ, Contreras) to have any chance of unloading him but that wouldn't make any sense for them.

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1 minute ago, fathom said:

What if (and this is just hypothetical), they're able to unload Heyward on someone by giving up Contreras and Happ, etc?

Does that even make them that much better?  And to commit $400M to do so? Seems like a huge stretch to me.

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