SonofaRoache Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I didn’t say flock. Considering there was already an abnormal amount of Cubs fans at Sox game this past year, you don’t think that would only increase with Harper? They were probably there with a significant other or family member, not to see any Sox players. How many people here have gone to Wrigley to see a Cubs player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: None of those guys are on Harper's level. Not even close. Well of course but my point is Sox fans aren't going to Wrigley to see anyone. Maybe a handful baseball purists will. And Kris Bryant isn't too far off from Harper when he was MVP. Everyone was ducking him off. Edited November 10, 2018 by SonofaRoache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Well of course but my point is Sox fans aren't going to Wrigley to see anyone. Maybe a handful baseball purists will. And Kris Bryant isn't too far off from Harper when he was MVP. Everyone was ducking him off. I can't speak for what Cub fans would do, but I'm 99.9% sure Sox fans would pack the ballpark almost every night if for no other reason than to see Harper. He's that much of an attention getter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I know it's been a while and we're trained to think about other ways to sell tickets, but how about building a team that wins 99+ games and competes for a world series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Balta1701 said: I know it's been a while and we're trained to think about other ways to sell tickets, but how about building a team that wins 99+ games and competes for a world series? Wouldn’t adding one of the biggest superstars help is do just that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said: I can't speak for what Cub fans would do, but I'm 99.9% sure Sox fans would pack the ballpark almost every night if for no other reason than to see Harper. He's that much of an attention getter. That probably isn't realistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Wouldn’t adding one of the biggest superstars help is do just that? It would, but knowing Sox fans, they would actually have to be competitive for any immediate attendance gains from signing Bryce to stay consistent during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, fathom said: That probably isn't realistic If the Sox can put a good product on the field for once, people will show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Just now, fathom said: It would, but knowing Sox fans, they would actually have to be competitive for any immediate attendance gains from signing Bryce to stay consistent during the season. I truly believe Bryce is the one guy that rule wouldn’t apply to. He’d be our modern day Frank Thomas and actually drive fan interest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: I can't speak for what Cub fans would do, but I'm 99.9% sure Sox fans would pack the ballpark almost every night if for no other reason than to see Harper. He's that much of an attention getter. Look at our 2007 attendance. If we win, people will come. Harper alone will start it but we must win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Jose Abreu said: By far the best edit I've seen yet. Ozzie Stern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 7 hours ago, hi8is said: I’ve said it many times this week and have been laughed at. Totally echo what Chisoxfn said.... This offseason could be historic for this team. Not by me brother. I've been dreaming big time, Don't expect it to be historic and I wouldn't be upset if it isn't because it's a long shot but bring it on ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, iamshack said: Ozzie Stern? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 If Harper turned down $300M from the Phil's what would he turn down from Chicago. Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Not by me brother. I've been dreaming big time, Don't expect it to be historic and I wouldn't be upset if it isn't because it's a long shot but bring it on ! Yup... “could” is the operative word. Godspeed brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, pcq said: If Harper turned down $300M from the Phil's what would he turn down from Chicago. Just wondering. Better question is what would he “accept” from Chicago to come to the South Side and help/lead turning our team’s fortunes around, and bringing a whole, lot more winning to 35th & Shields than any of us has ever seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tony said: Correct, but that’s not what you said. If the Sox add Bryce but don’t do much else and win 76 games, the park will have 13,000 in September. Win, and people will show. For what it's worth, if we were to add Bryce and nothing else of note, I'd be shocked. Landing one of these two whales would, in my opinion, coincide with a bunch of Cruz, Brantley, Happ type signings for the short-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: For what it's worth, if we were to add Bryce and nothing else of note, I'd be shocked. Landing one of these two whales would, in my opinion, coincide with a bunch of Cruz, Brantley, Happ type signings for the short-term. This. Signing Bryce Harper is like signing a guy like LeBron. You don’t sign LeBron and stop. There’s a master plan and then you execute the next set of moves once Harper is in the fold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 hours ago, username said: I flat out don’t understand the way people characterize Philly. It’s a crappy mid-sized east coast city...guys, we live in Chicago! The Phillies aren’t a big market team. Established franchise with a good fan base? Yeah. But philly isn’t glamorous 😂. It’s a poor-man’s Boston. Lived in Manhattan until earlier this year. Trust me nobody thinks of Philly as a big-time market lol. Um. Go look up “top US cities by population.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) Say the Sox add Harper and a couple other guys like Cruz, Donaldson, Happ, and a reliever. Combine that with hopeful improvements from Moncada, Anderson, Giolito, Rodon, Lopez, etc and I would hope that team would win more than 76 games. Edited November 10, 2018 by Whitesox27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: Um. Go look up “top US cities by population.” He's trying to convince people Philly is a small when it is a top 5 mlb market and top 7 size US city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Whitesox27 said: Say the Sox add Harper and a couple other guys like Cruz, Donaldson, Happ, and a reliever. Combine that with hopeful improvements from Moncada, Anderson, Giolito, Rodon, Lopez, etc and I would hope that team would win more than 76 games. You can't just list 10 key guys and assume "Everything goes right for every single key guy". We should have learned long ago that baseball doesn't go that way. That said, upper 70s wins would be reasonable for that...but since they blew all their FA spending, well they might not be that much better the next year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: You can't just list 10 key guys and assume "Everything goes right for every single key guy". We should have learned long ago that baseball doesn't go that way. That said, upper 70s wins would be reasonable for that...but since they blew all their FA spending, well they might not be that much better the next year either. “What could go wrong,” asks Adam Dunn. ”Nothing!” Replies Adam LaRoche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Balta1701 said: You can't just list 10 key guys and assume "Everything goes right for every single key guy". We should have learned long ago that baseball doesn't go that way. That said, upper 70s wins would be reasonable for that...but since they blew all their FA spending, well they might not be that much better the next year either. You keep saying this, but no one is actually suggesting a “1%” outcome for every player is required for us to be competitive next year. Let’s try to be objective here. The Sox need to add about 20 WAR to be a contender in 2019. That’s a huge number, but add Harper and the gap is suddenly 15. Adding Donaldson shrinks it to 12. Adding Cruz & Happs shrinks it to 8.5. And those aren’t 1% outcomes, but simply using what Steamer is projecting for veteran players and netting against our prior year production. Then you got a future stud in Eloy Jimenez. I find projection systems to regularly under project young players and yet Steamer has him at 2.6 WAR next year. Let’s just call it 3 WAR since we know Eloy will be up ASAP based on Hahn’s recent comments. That cuts the gap to 5.5 WAR. On top of these additions, we also have quite a few talented players that should be better next year, the question with them is simply how much. Moncada, Anderson, Rodon, Lopez, & Giolito are all 25 year old and former top 40 prospects. These guys are still developing and could take massive leaps. Last year they combined for 6.5 WAR. Could these guys account for 12 WAR next year? I don’t think a crazy expectation and nowhere near a 1% outcome. Moncada at 4, Rodon & Lopez at 3, and Anderson at 2 gets us there. That would require no improvement from Giolito, who is without question the biggest wild card in the group. Does that really seem that crazy to you? Mix and match as you please, that’s beauty of having a young developing core. At the end of the day, if we can land a whale and a bunch of secondary pieces, we should be able put together a competitive team without “everything going right for every single guy”. That doesn’t mean it’s foolproof, but it’s not nearly as daunting as you keep suggesting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Very valid argument, "Chicago White Sox". I agree with you. It is also worth remembering that no team roster can guarantee results. It's always a matter of staying healthy and having a little luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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