Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wanne said: Giolito • Collins • Basabe • Fulmer for Realmuto then trade Castillo for whatever. Not trying to be a dick, but this trade would be done yesterday if that’s all it took. They’re going to get at least one blue chip centerpiece and this offer has none. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Wanne said: Giolito • Collins • Basabe • Fulmer for Realmuto then trade Castillo for whatever. Marlins say no. I would think one of Robert/Eloy/Cease would need to be there to get them to jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 minute ago, bschmaranz said: Marlins say no. I would think one of Robert/Eloy/Cease would need to be there to get them to jump. Eloy is worth more than Realmoto, but I agree Robert or Cease (plus others) would need to be in the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Eloy is worth more than Realmoto, but I agree Robert or Cease (plus others) would need to be in the trade. Oh yeah, he's absolutely worth more. Doesn't mean the Marlins wouldn't ask for him though. If Kopech hadn't gotten hurt, they'd ask for him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Just now, bschmaranz said: Oh yeah, he's absolutely worth more. Doesn't mean the Marlins wouldn't ask for him though. If Kopech hadn't gotten hurt, they'd ask for him too. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Very true. I believe they asked the Braves for Acuna Jr. Jeter cray cray! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) I’d say Clint Frazier is a much better prospect than Zach. Ellsbury has to be better than Engel. Decent outfield for now, Eloy-Ellsbury-Clint. Only $20M/yr for the whole group. Edited December 1, 2018 by Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Baker said: I’d say Clint Frazier is a much better prospect than Zach. Ellsbury has to be better than Engel. Decent outfield for now, Eloy-Ellsbury-Clint. Only $20M/yr for the whole group. Ellsbuy may be better than Engel, but that’s a low bar to cross and doesn’t account for the $45M difference in salary over the next two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) With Camargo relegated to a utility role, now would be good time to check in with the Braves on him. Send LuBob, Yolmer and Nicky D to Braves for Camargo and Bryse Wilson. Sign another Bryce for $375M/10, Pollock $50M/2, and Eovaldi $48M/3 Quite and increase in expenditure, but the lineup is potent and a lot of potential in the rotation as well. 1. CF Pollock 2. 3B Camargo 3. RF Harper 4. 1B/DH Abreu 5. LF Eloy 6. 2B Moncada 7. DH/1B Palka 8. C Castillo 9. SS Anderson Rotation: 1. Rodon 2. Lopez 3. Eovaldi 4. Giolito 5. Wilson Bench: Leury/Rondon/Seby Bullpen: lots of strong young arms, sign a veteran to help stabilize. Edited December 1, 2018 by thxfrthmmrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 You want to trade Luis Robert for Camargo and Bryse Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Whitesox27 said: You want to trade Luis Robert for Camargo and Bryse Wilson? If Braves are willing to do that trade you run and take it to the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 9 hours ago, thxfrthmmrs said: If Braves are willing to do that trade you run and take it to the bank. What is so special about Camargo and Wilson? I think I'd much rather take a gamble on Robert's upside unless I'm missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I want the Sox to stay far away from the acquiring Realmuto. Not worth it!! and I’d cry if the Sox traded Robert for Carmargo. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I want the Sox to stay far away from the acquiring Realmuto. Not worth it!! and I’d cry if the Sox traded Robert for Carmargo. Hahn made it very clear they won’t be making moves Iike that in his presser yesterday. Edited December 1, 2018 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Hahn made it very clear they won’t be making moves Iike that in his presser yesterday. Have you seen a link to his comments? I’ve been trying to find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Whitesox27 said: What is so special about Camargo and Wilson? I think I'd much rather take a gamble on Robert's upside unless I'm missing something. Camargo and Wilson have pretty high upside also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Whitesox27 said: What is so special about Camargo and Wilson? I think I'd much rather take a gamble on Robert's upside unless I'm missing something. The word you used is gamble, for as good as Robert's tools are, he's a high risk/high reward type of guy and on top of that he's not been able to stay healthy. Camargo is already a 3-4 WAR switch hitter with above average bat and plus defender at both short and third base, cost controlled for next 5 years. Wilson is a projectable #3 type starter who debuted at 20 years old. You get 2 young players who are ready to contribute now for the upside/risk of Robert. Also if you sign Harper long term you have one less OF spot to worry about. Edited December 1, 2018 by thxfrthmmrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Assuming we get neither Harper or Machado. Sign Happ 3/$42m, White Sox get: Haniger, Seager no $ Mariners get: Rutherford, Dunning, Rivera White Sox get: Greinke, Peralta, no $ Diamondbacks get: Basabe and Stephens Do both of those and your payroll goes up about $55m but you add anywhere from 12 to 18 WAR. Then you also have a corner OF/DH logjam with Hanniger, Peralta, Jimenez, Palka RF Haniger LF Peralta 1B Abreu DH Jimenez 3B Seager CA Castillo 2B Moncada SS Anderson CF Engel SP Greinke SP Rodon SP Lopez SP Happ SP Giolito CL Colome RP Jones RP Fry RP Burr RP Hamilton RP Bummer RP Ruiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Why are so many in such a rush to trade half of our prospects away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I didn't know Camargo had such a good season last year, but there's still no way I would give up on Robert right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 yeah...I can't see Hahn giving up Robert in any circumstance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 22 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Eloy is worth more than Realmoto, but I agree Robert or Cease (plus others) would need to be in the trade. I think the Marlins are going to be sadly underwhelmed with what they'll be offered. Can't see teams giving up top 5 prospects honestly. Maybe the Astros...that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 If we do end up signing Harper or Machado, we are competing now. Doesn't make sense to wait 2 years and waste $70 millions of star salary to wait on Robert, who has the biggest variance of ceiling and floor of anyone in our farm. Of course, if we don't sign them it's a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 3 hours ago, striker said: Assuming we get neither Harper or Machado. Sign Happ 3/$42m, White Sox get: Haniger, Seager no $ Mariners get: Rutherford, Dunning, Rivera White Sox get: Greinke, Peralta, no $ Diamondbacks get: Basabe and Stephens Do both of those and your payroll goes up about $55m but you add anywhere from 12 to 18 WAR. Then you also have a corner OF/DH logjam with Hanniger, Peralta, Jimenez, Palka RF Haniger LF Peralta 1B Abreu DH Jimenez 3B Seager CA Castillo 2B Moncada SS Anderson CF Engel SP Greinke SP Rodon SP Lopez SP Happ SP Giolito CL Colome RP Jones RP Fry RP Burr RP Hamilton RP Bummer RP Ruiz I would do the second trade in a heatbeat. The first trade just gives me a little pause because I'm not a big Seager fan...Hanniger though would be a great pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 14 hours ago, Wanne said: I think the Marlins are going to be sadly underwhelmed with what they'll be offered. Can't see teams giving up top 5 prospects honestly. Maybe the Astros...that's about it. It’s rumored the Yankees would do Gary Sanchez straight up for him. If that’s the case, I think the Marlins will do much better here than with their other trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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