Jose Abreu Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, DirtySox said: Wasn't there someone during the season vehemently claiming that Clarkin was a better prospect than Dane Dunning? Wasn't me but I was definitely one of the bigger Clarkin supporters. He was having a fine year before the injuries, after a good 2017. Wouldn't be surprised if he became a MLBer eventually but at the same time, his durability concerns are real so I understand the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, DirtySox said: Wasn't there someone during the season vehemently claiming that Clarkin was a better prospect than Dane Dunning? I thought it was Guerrero... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 9 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Tito Polo is a minor FA as well too, I believe. Did the Sox resign him? If not, Sox are down to Rutherford as the return for Frazier, Davidson and Kahnle. Still better on the Sox side than the Yankee side. Robertson was good for them, but the other two weren't or haven't been, and they paid at least market value to Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 9 hours ago, Lillian said: I assume that you meant Robertson, not Davidson. Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I think the Sox made a great trade. But yeah, it hinges on Rutherford and nothing else. That's the way I've always looked at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 9 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: Wasn't me but I was definitely one of the bigger Clarkin supporters. He was having a fine year before the injuries, after a good 2017. Wouldn't be surprised if he became a MLBer eventually but at the same time, his durability concerns are real so I understand the decision. Yeah he lost a ton of velo. if he regains it with the cubs he could be decent but that was sort of the premise when we traded for him. It never happened. He just ran out of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 it's a good sign when guys that would arguably be top 30 back end a few years ago are now roster victims. that said, in hindsight that trade (right now at least) was not the besssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: it's a good sign when guys that would arguably be top 30 back end a few years ago are now roster victims. that said, in hindsight that trade (right now at least) was not the besssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss The trade really can’t be evaluated for a few years. If Rutherford pans out, it was a solid trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: The trade really can’t be evaluated for a few years. If Rutherford pans out, it was a solid trade. yea but this is the offseason and a message board son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: yea but this is the offseason and a message board son. Right, which is why we can all post different opinions and viewpoints, father. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: The trade really can’t be evaluated for a few years. If Rutherford pans out, it was a solid trade. Even if Rutherford doesn't pan out...right now we have substantially more value in our organization than we would have if we hadn't acquired him. One reason why people are talking about prospect for prospect swaps to fill our 3b hole is that thanks to this trade, we do actually have a legit glut of outfielders. We could choose to cash that bill in right now, or we could choose to hold onto those OFs if we think they are particularly promising. If we'd been caught holding Kahnle when he collapsed, we'd be hoping he could rebuild some value this year - instead we're already holding the value and deciding what to do with it. We've got the cash in our pocket, we just get to decide how to spend it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Problem with clarkin is the mediocre stuff. He doesn't have that bullpen fallback option because he doesn't have that great pitch or velo, so it is essentially 5th starter or bust with him. He might have a lower "can't start" risk then some others but if it is not good enough to start it is nothing while others with better stuff can be bullpenned. Probably a quad A arm who can occasionally make a spot start if someone gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 What has happened thus far with Kahnle suggests the trade was smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jake said: What has happened thus far with Kahnle suggests the trade was smart. Obviously I still have hope Rutherford finds power and turns it on, but your statement presumed a binary situation where either we hold on to Kahnle or trade him to Yankees for this specific package. There were likely many more possible trades available for Kahnle so it’s important Hahn chose the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Hahn has done a lot of trades for high profile prospects who had some shine come off them. Giolito, moncada and Rutherford all struggled some and thus became available. That is a risk but also a chance to acquire high profile talent. Essentially he bought low. Had he opted for better performers in the trades the cailing of the players would have been lower. He balanced that somewhat with drafts of relatively polished but lower ceiling hitters which he might do again this year if he opts for Vaughn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I think Cashman gets good value generally and this trade was no exception. I’d point out that the Sox all but had Jesus Lazardo for Robertson alone prior to the season, so dumping his salary and including Kahnle for Rutherford has to be considered somewhat disappointing. That said, Hahn got so much for Quintana that overall he had a good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 38 minutes ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said: Hahn has done a lot of trades for high profile prospects who had some shine come off them. Giolito, moncada and Rutherford all struggled some and thus became available. That is a risk but also a chance to acquire high profile talent. Essentially he bought low. Had he opted for better performers in the trades the cailing of the players would have been lower. He balanced that somewhat with drafts of relatively polished but lower ceiling hitters which he might do again this year if he opts for Vaughn. I don’t think Moncada fits this narrative whatsoever. He was available because they got arguably the best pitcher in baseball to a ridiculously cheap contract and either him or Benintendi had to be the centerpiece for it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t think Moncada fits this narrative whatsoever. He was available because they got arguably the best pitcher in baseball to a ridiculously cheap contract and either him or Benintendi had to be the centerpiece for it to happen. He was still rated the best prospect but he had that big struggle in his first call up and reportedly the sox wanted him and not benintendi to go. His stock was still very high and he was rated number 1 overall but it was not like with vlad jr right now were nobody doubts he will hit right away. Had moncada started in Boston like acuna did in Atlanta this year he might not have been available or at least not with a super good secondary piece like kopech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said: He was still rated the best prospect but he had that big struggle in his first call up and reportedly the sox wanted him and not benintendi to go. His stock was still very high and he was rated number 1 overall but it was not like with vlad jr right now were nobody doubts he will hit right away. Had moncada started in Boston like acuna did in Atlanta this year he might not have been available or at least not with a super good secondary piece like kopech. We’re talking about 20 total plate appearances. I strongly disagree with the notion they had any impact on his value at the time. Benintendi simply had a higher floor, was going to take less development time, and filled an immediate major league need. It just made more sense for them to trade Moncada at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 He's baaaaacccccccckkkkkkk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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