Sleepy Harold Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: How many last year? 7 https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/colomal01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just now, fathom said: To his credit, it does look like the only damage he gave up last year in Seattle was due to an increase in HR/IP Yup. Exactly my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Only Soxtalk can make trading Omar Narvaez sound like the loss of a potential HOFer...all the while, picking up an arm to help what was the WORST bullpen in baseball, not named the Orioles. Seems Legit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: Anyone think that Seby can replace Narvez's offensive production? I think it will be similar... Albeit Seby may have slightly more pop, but it could be dead even. I don’t think so. Narvaez had a wRC+ of 122 last year, making him not only one of the best offensive catchers but a good hitter in general. The problem for him is that he’s unlikely to repeat it. I actually like Zavala’s offensive upside but I think that’s closer to league average hitter than anything special. And he will no doubt require a learning curve. Seby will no doubt be a downgrade next year with the bat (if he’s the replacement), but probably an immediate upgrade with the glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I don't think so . Narvaez was one of our decent OBP guys, Zavala isn't at all. But probably better with the glove . Pitchers like him , probably didn't like Narvaez. I mean, Seby did demonstrate OBP prior to AAA, so maybe he can come back from the down year in that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t think so. Narvaez had a wRC+ of 122 last year, making him not only one of the best offensive catchers but a good hitter in general. The problem for him is that he’s unlikely to repeat it. I actually like Zavala’s offensive upside but I think that’s closer to league average hitter than anything special. And he will no doubt require a learning curve. Seby will no doubt be a downgrade next year with the bat (if he’s the replacement), but probably an immediate upgrade with the glove. They can upgrade other places for offense. The framing needed immediate improvements for the team, so this should help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Capn12 said: Only Soxtalk can make trading Omar Narvaez sound like the loss of a potential HOFer...all the while, picking up an arm to help what was the WORST bullpen in baseball, not named the Orioles. Seems Legit. The same Omar that made it look like each game was the first time he was putting on catcher’s gear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1.1 in bWAR for Colome. 2019 Arb est. $7.5M. Omar 1.9 bWAR 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Generally not a fan of this at all. One question I haven't seen answered - aside from Grandal, if we wanted a backup catcher to play part time behind steroid dude and thought that Zavala wasn't yet ready as he isn't, who is available that could be a cheap backup catcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Baker said: 1.1 in bWAR for Colome. 2019 Arb est. $7.5M. Omar 1.9 bWAR 2018. 2018 means jack in 2019. The Sox sold about as high as they can with Omar. This guy is 2 years removed from a .627 OPS in Charlotte, and a .550 OPS in Birmingham. Give him credit, but he's in for a fall, and he is horrible behind the plate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 So he's definitely closer next year, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just now, soxfan2014 said: So he's definitely closer next year, right? Has to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said: So he's definitely closer next year, right? That seems logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 I don't know how anyone could complain about this. If Narvaez was still on the team in 2 years, this rebuild was fucked anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Put Colome in the closer role and hope he excels so we can trade him for a much better prospect than Narvaez. I think Narvaez is probably an above average #2 catcher down the line. Somehow he’s managed a .330 BABIP, that will come down back to earth and as others have said his D is marginal at best. Not a whole lot lost in my opinion, strange, but solid trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just now, Whitesox27 said: I don't know how anyone could complain about this. If Narvaez was still on the team in 2 years, this rebuild was fucked anyway. That's a little extreme considering he would be a fine backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Colome gets Avi's money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Saving the big bucks for big fish and maybe others, starting pitching outfielders. Hahn did say there would be better defense if he had to pick one thing that would get better in 2019. Except you're not saving any bucks....Colome is going to get paid ~$7.5M in 2019 and close to $10M in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Generally not a fan of this at all. One question I haven't seen answered - aside from Grandal, if we wanted a backup catcher to play part time behind steroid dude and thought that Zavala wasn't yet ready as he isn't, who is available that could be a cheap backup catcher? https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/catcher/ Martin Maldonado, Rene Rivera, Nick Hundley, AJ Ellis just to name a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said: That's a little extreme considering he would be a fine backup. Colome can always be flipped at the deadline should we choose to cash him in for prospects or to fill a need I don't mind giving up Narvaez, who is a solid hitter, but not very good defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just now, Sleepy Harold said: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/catcher/ Martin Maldonado, Rene Rivera, Nick Hundley, AJ Ellis just to name a few. How is Maldonado's defense? I feel like I read someone talking about how good he was (may have been someone else) in the comments of MLBTR. I can't remember if it was about him or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: Colome can always be flipped at the deadline should we choose to cash him in for prospects or to fill a need I don't mind giving up Narvaez, who is a solid hitter, but not very good defensively. I was referring to the part about the rebuild being fucked if he was still on the team in 2 years. I though that was obvious. There's a lot more that hinges on the rebuild than a backup catcher. Edited November 30, 2018 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Funny how many are not liking trading a back up catcher for a closer the team didn't have and really needed especially if they are wanting to get back in win column. Plus the sox could extend him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Narvaez was the most frustrating catcher I have ever watched. How many sure strikes did he cost our pitchers last season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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