southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 There is a pretty clear chance that we got screwed in the same way on the James Shields deal https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article222332785.html He said to both Le Batard and me that the San Diego Padres kept two medical files on players — a legitimate one and a fake one. “It’s not an allegation; it’s a fact,” Samson said. Padres spokesman Craig Hughner, issued this response Wednesday evening: “The comments made this morning by a former club official were inaccurate and wholly inappropriate. Over two years ago, a situation unrelated to the Marlins was settled and discipline was issued following a thorough investigation by MLB. We have moved on fully in accordance with the guidelines, and we have no desire to respond further.” The Marlins acquired Colin Rea in a multi-player trade with the Padres in the summer of 2016 but returned him to San Diego and restructured the trade after he sustained an elbow injury in his first start. The Padres hadn’t disclosed key medical information about his elbow. “The Padres lied,” Samson said. “They had an entire medical file on a player and didn’t disclose it. Two sets of medical records is what they had. [Padres general manager] A.J. Preller shouldn’t be allowed in the game. It’s beyond comprehension that he’s still working. They did it to the Red Sox. There are a lot of things you mess with, but you don’t mess with that.” Major League Baseball suspended Preller late in 2016 for his failure to disclose medical information in a trade with the Padres but he didn’t receive additional discipline for the Marlins trade. Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article222332785.html#storylink=cpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I’d like a refund please, I’ll even let the Padres keep Erik Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 As time goes on and seeing what Correa got/Braves...Preller got off so easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 So surprised a bigger fiasco wasnt made of that.. and why didnt our FO fight tooth and nail to reverse that trade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 How did the Sox get screwed? Was Shields hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Even if Shields was perfectly healthy at time of trade, which he wasn't, it was still an incredibly stupid trade. Hahn got off easier than Preller. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: How did the Sox get screwed? Was Shields hurt? From what i remember he was, but with hindsight and this being 2 years ago i cant be too sure. The media mainly focused on the poor red sox at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Don’t get me wrong, I agree with Samson and think it is ludicrous AJ Preller is still a GM. I would also figure that had a real and fake file on Shields. But Shields came and pitched, so he wasn’t injured too badly if he was injured. I think the Sox still would have made the deal had they had the real records. Remember TAtis had not played a game yet, and he was a mid tier signee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I don’t think Shields was injured, but Preller did manufacture fake discord with Shields as a pretext to getting rid of him. Preller should be banned from baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Baker said: I don’t think Shields was injured, but Preller did manufacture fake discord with Shields as a pretext to getting rid of him. Preller should be banned from baseball. Preller manufactured that discord? The Padres owner publicly called Shields out as being unprepared and unprofessional after his last start with the Padres where he blew up for like 10 runs or something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, oldsox said: Even if Shields was perfectly healthy at time of trade, which he wasn't, it was still an incredibly stupid trade. Hahn got off easier than Preller. The second I started hearing rumors about a Shields trade, I first thought it was a BS joke my cubs fans buddies were pulling. The second it happened was when I wanted every last one of those dumb fuckers fired. Some ~6 weeks later, Hahn had his "Mired in mediocrity" presser, and the man's been teflon, as is every other reinsdorf FO employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 41 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Preller manufactured that discord? The Padres owner publicly called Shields out as being unprepared and unprofessional after his last start with the Padres where he blew up for like 10 runs or something along those lines. Thanks for clearing that up. I had thought Preller orchestrated the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 59 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Preller manufactured that discord? The Padres owner publicly called Shields out as being unprepared and unprofessional after his last start with the Padres where he blew up for like 10 runs or something along those lines. Called him out and probably told Preller to trade him to the White Sox, the only team stupid enough to take him. Then Hahn complied and threw in Tatis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, oldsox said: Called him out and probably told Preller to trade him to the White Sox, the only team stupid enough to take him. Then Hahn complied and threw in Tatis. Well it was said that the Tigers were also somewhat interested, but either way that was desperation by both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Fake news which hunt. Why aren't they investigating the Clintons??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, pcq said: Fake news which hunt. Why aren't they investigating the Clintons??? BUT THE EMAILS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Whatever they did you can't argue with the results that farm is stacked from top to bottom. Whole lot of jealously happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Tatis was just bad luck. He wasn't seen as a top30 international free agent of his class and hadn't played a game yet. Nobody could have seen him developing like that. Blaming Hahn for that trade is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said: Tatis was just bad luck. He wasn't seen as a top30 international free agent of his class and hadn't played a game yet. Nobody could have seen him developing like that. Blaming Hahn for that trade is stupid. I don’t blame him for Tatis, I blame him for wanting Shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said: Tatis was just bad luck. He wasn't seen as a top30 international free agent of his class and hadn't played a game yet. Nobody could have seen him developing like that. Blaming Hahn for that trade is stupid. Blaming him for throwing in a player that no one in this org had seen because he was desperate to save his competitive 2016 roster and he'd traded away anything else in the org of value already is fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Shields was in the midst of a downward trend in his velocity and it woudln't surprise me at all if they withheld information about him dealing with soreness, dead arm, etc. even if it never really developed into a full-blown injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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