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For those who know other systems better - if the Dodgers wanted to beat an offer involving India, would there be any way for them to do it without Verdugo?

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Just now, Balta1701 said:

For those who know other systems better - if the Dodgers wanted to beat an offer involving India, would there be any way for them to do it without Verdugo?

Keibert Ruiz.

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1 minute ago, DirtySox said:

Keibert Ruiz.

If you ranked him against India which one would be considered a better get for the Marlins?

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4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If you ranked him against India which one would be considered a better get for the Marlins?

Ruiz. He's generally considered a top 40 prospect, where India isn't even on many top 100 lists.

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2 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Ruiz. He's generally considered a top 40 prospect, where India isn't even on many top 100 lists.

I knew the latter but with guys that were drafted last summer the rankings are often all over the map, Madrigal outside of Law's top 100 and in the top 50 elsewhere for example. Thanks for the feedback. 

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8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

For those who know other systems better - if the Dodgers wanted to beat an offer involving India, would there be any way for them to do it without Verdugo?

I'll go with dirtysox 's suggestion of Ruiz.

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If you ranked him against India which one would be considered a better get for the Marlins?

Hope you don't mind me throwing in my two cents. 

IMHO, for the Marlins to pass on a 20 year old catcher with his tools that raked at AA would be insane. Nothing against Verdugo, would love to have him but Ruiz is easily the bigger prize. Then again the Marlins did draft Kolek...

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1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

They're doing basically the same thing the White Sox did in 2015 and 2016.

Minus trading their Top 5-10 pick from the draft they just took

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19 minutes ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said:

The marlins shouldn't do the deal without one of greene or senzel. India is a nice prospect but if the package is india and a couple 45s it would be disappointing similar to the yelich deal.

Fair point, but only 2 years of control? The Padres have been trying for assurances of an extension. 

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The good thing is that the reds mostly traded for players at the right side of 30.

If the whole thing fails they can sell those pieces for prospects again which makes it a pretty low risk move.

Preller did the same with the Padres, traded a lot of prospects away but when it didn't work quickly re sold and still had a monster system.

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2 hours ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said:

The good thing is that the reds mostly traded for players at the right side of 30.

If the whole thing fails they can sell those pieces for prospects again which makes it a pretty low risk move.

Preller did the same with the Padres, traded a lot of prospects away but when it didn't work quickly re sold and still had a monster system.

But the money for Wil Myers and Hosmer and $27.5 million in dead contracts still means the only way they can afford a Machado is dumping Myers...essentially.

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On 1/29/2019 at 7:45 AM, dominik-keul@gmx.de said:

The good thing is that the reds mostly traded for players at the right side of 30.

If the whole thing fails they can sell those pieces for prospects again which makes it a pretty low risk move.

Preller did the same with the Padres, traded a lot of prospects away but when it didn't work quickly re sold and still had a monster system.

They’ve also raised their fWAR by over 9 this offseason, the most of any team in the Central by far.

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But the two year timeframe for Realmuto doesn’t really make make sense for the Padres without Machado...would anyone be on board giving up Cease and Robert for a two year Realmuto rental?   Even Cease and Dunning?  

Maybe Dunning and Collins (both are already connect to Florida/Miami), might have to throw in an outfield prospect , too.

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33 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

But the two year timeframe for Realmuto doesn’t really make make sense for the Padres without Machado...would anyone be on board giving up Cease and Robert for a two year Realmuto rental?   Even Cease and Dunning?  

Maybe Dunning and Collins (both are already connect to Florida/Miami), might have to throw in an outfield prospect , too.

I know someone was saying the Padres wanted to negotiate an extension with realmuto first. I  don't really see that happening but, Sonny Gray just did with the reds.  So who knows?

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3 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

Law speculated the Dodgers really weren’t too interested because he isn’t a good framer.

Seems like a great reason to stick with Austin Barnes.  In stead of the guy that is clearly the best catcher in the game.  Teams can really outsmart themselves sometimes.  

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16 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

Seems like a great reason to stick with Austin Barnes.  In stead of the guy that is clearly the best catcher in the game.  Teams can really outsmart themselves sometimes.  

Hey, don't forget about Russell Nathan Coltrane Jeanson Martin Jr.!

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

But the two year timeframe for Realmuto doesn’t really make make sense for the Padres without Machado...would anyone be on board giving up Cease and Robert for a two year Realmuto rental?   Even Cease and Dunning?  

Maybe Dunning and Collins (both are already connect to Florida/Miami), might have to throw in an outfield prospect , too.

Well no, but the padres have shown that they are capable of supplementing their talent through draft and (especially) LatAm whereas the white sox haven't proved that yet so maybe it's worth it to them (especially if they prioritize re-signing).

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On ‎1‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 6:45 PM, dominik-keul@gmx.de said:

The good thing is that the reds mostly traded for players at the right side of 30.

If the whole thing fails they can sell those pieces for prospects again which makes it a pretty low risk move.

Preller did the same with the Padres, traded a lot of prospects away but when it didn't work quickly re sold and still had a monster system.

Hahn helped him.

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51 minutes ago, oldsox said:

Hahn helped him.

They also blew away the record for spending on Latin American talent in one cycle...and got one of the best catching prospects in baseball from the Indians in Mejia.

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On 1/31/2019 at 7:37 AM, caulfield12 said:

But the two year timeframe for Realmuto doesn’t really make make sense for the Padres without Machado...would anyone be on board giving up Cease and Robert for a two year Realmuto rental?   Even Cease and Dunning?  

Maybe Dunning and Collins (both are already connect to Florida/Miami), might have to throw in an outfield prospect , too.

Hell no. Cease is flat out untouchable for me unless you’re getting back a budding star with loads of control.

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