Colinski Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 If rather have Colome and McCann over just Naveaz. We’ve managed to turn one player who won’t be on our championship team into someone who could be. For next season it doesn’t matter that Navaez is better than McCann, all that matters is Castillo earns his money and McCann isn’t a train wreak until Seby or Collins arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Colinski said: If rather have Colome and McCann over just Naveaz. We’ve managed to turn one player who won’t be on our championship team into someone who could be. For next season it doesn’t matter that Navaez is better than McCann, all that matters is Castillo earns his money and McCann isn’t a train wreak until Seby or Collins arrive. You are forgetting that you'd have Narvaez and $9,000,000 to spend on a reliever or Colome and McCann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This move really makes me angry. We have three young starting pitchers that could be helped tremendously by having an excellent framer and trading Narvaez seemed to suggest that was the path we were going. But nope, we got to go out and sign a catcher that’s better but still bad. Incredibly frustrating. Narvaez was bilingual as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Colinski said: If rather have Colome and McCann over just Naveaz. We’ve managed to turn one player who won’t be on our championship team into someone who could be. For next season it doesn’t matter that Navaez is better than McCann, all that matters is Castillo earns his money and McCann isn’t a train wreak until Seby or Collins arrive. I gotta go the other way. We added $10 million in payroll, made the bullpen better, but made the catcher's spot substantially worse, and we traded away a possibly useful asset. With $10 million in payroll, we could have made the bullpen better without subtracting from the catcher's spot and losing a potential trade asset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 No Grandal confirms the Sox still believe in Collins. I really hope we know what we’re doing, because young pitching + horrible defensive catcher (if the rumors are true) = potential disaster in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Dissapointed. I very much wanted Grandal. He'd be a HUGE upgrade (assuming they wanted to contend). In isolation I don't have a massive issue with McCann, other then the fact the Sox still have a massive hole at catcher, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 “That’s gonna put butts in the seats” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I don’t put a whole lot of stock into the stats that measure framing...but if true that he’s bad at it it would be a pretty headscratching signing. But also nothing to be upset about because it’s a backup C making relative peanuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I think the Sox have trouble evaluating catchers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This move really makes me angry. We have three young starting pitchers that could be helped tremendously by having an excellent framer and trading Narvaez seemed to suggest that was the path we were going. But nope, we got to go out and sign a catcher that’s better but still bad. Incredibly frustrating. I hate to admit it, but this seems like a move that's a clear notch in the W column for those that want to either stand pat, or try for Harper/Machado, but not much else. Sure, we having Wellington who has the capability to an above average regular at least offensively, so improving at catcher wasn't a giant priority, but when you have a guy like Grandal out on the FA market, its a bit disappointing. McCann was pretty much at the bottom of my wishlist of the catcher FAs. And while $2.5M isn't a huge sum, its enough that they clearly intend to have him on the roster. I would have just kept Kevan Smith if this was the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said: Dissapointed. I very much wanted Grandal. He'd be a HUGE upgrade (assuming they wanted to contend). I think it’s Manny/Harper or bust, especially if they’ve backed off high-end relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinski Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GREEDY said: You are forgetting that you'd have Narvaez and $9,000,000 to spend on a reliever or Colome and McCann. I don’t disagree, what I am hoping for is signing colome and signing another reliever aren’t mutually exclusive. We get Colome and defo still have the money to get Ottivano or similar. dont get me wrong. I don’t love this signing, I just don’t hate it as much as some of the others. Edited December 14, 2018 by Colinski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 The stove is HOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Alright, I’m doing a complete 180, but could we still add Grandal and then trade Castillo? McCann makes much more sense as a platoon partner for Grandal than Welington. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I'm not a big fan of catchers who play bad defense.....so there's that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This move really makes me angry. We have three young starting pitchers that could be helped tremendously by having an excellent framer and trading Narvaez seemed to suggest that was the path we were going. But nope, we got to go out and sign a catcher that’s better but still bad. Incredibly frustrating. It's a month or so stop gap until Zavala. That said I dont get why we cut Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I hate to admit it, but this seems like a move that's a clear notch in the W column for those that want to either stand pat, or try for Harper/Machado, but not much else. Sure, we having Wellington who has the capability to an above average regular at least offensively, so improving at catcher wasn't a giant priority, but when you have a guy like Grandal out on the FA market, its a bit disappointing. McCann was pretty much at the bottom of my wishlist of the catcher FAs. And while $2.5M isn't a huge sum, its enough that they clearly intend to have him on the roster. I would have just kept Kevan Smith if this was the plan. 100% agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinski Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Alright, I’m doing a complete 180, but could we still add Grandal and then trade Castillo? McCann makes much more sense as a platoon partner for Grandal than Welington. I can’t see anyone taking Castillo, as much as I love your idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 A spaceholder until Seby is ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: A spaceholder until Seby is ready. That's an expensive spaceholder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Buehrle>Wood said: It's a month or so stop gap until Zavala. That said I dont get why we cut Smith. Look, I’m a huge Zavala fan and am aware he was hurt last year, but he hasn’t done anything in AAA yet to warrant early callup consideration. Also, I view our moves at catcher as investments in our young pitching. I’d rather have signed a guy like Maldonado for like $5M and traded him at the All-Star break then have Rodon, Lopez, & Giolito be forced to work with another poor framer for half a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, southsider2k5 said: A spaceholder until Seby is ready. At $2.5M? Why not just give a couple dudes minor league deals to Duke it out for the back up role if we’re talking about just a month or two stopgap. McCann is the backup next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, GenericUserName said: That's an expensive spaceholder. $2.5 million is expensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: A spaceholder until Seby is ready. Those should cost $500k, not $2.5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, southsider2k5 said: $2.5 million is expensive? 2% of our projected payroll for a guy who will only be on the team a few months? You could definitely have gotten someone for less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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