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1 minute ago, beckham15 said:

I am not shack, but I believe they got one final chance to match or better the Padres offer and shot it down....

 

4 minutes ago, Mr. Showtime said:

Shack, do you have any reason to believe that if they saw the Padres as a serious threat they would've offered a better deal over 8 years guaranteed? 

Shack quoted KW earlier, and in that same sequence where he used the sunglasses and shock, he did say they couldn’t build a winning roster and guarantee him $300 million. So second place and comfortable.

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8 minutes ago, bmags said:

The last few pages of this thread have had several posts that are way too combative. If you can’t post on this topic or the white Sox without insulting or taking pot shots at other posters, then you will miss out discussing it here when Harper actually signs.

Point taken. 

At the same time, when the forum has degenerated into something where posters with a positive outlook are going to be insulted, mocked, etc., then the forum has become something it shouldn’t have, regardless of the level of disappointment in the FO at the time. 

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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

 

Shack quoted KW earlier, and in that same sequence where he used the sunglasses and shock, he did say they couldn’t build a winning roster and guarantee him $300 million. So second place and comfortable.

Funniest thing, they have proven they can’t build without a 300 million commitment either.

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1 minute ago, iamshack said:

I honestly don’t know what their intentions would have been. I believe they did not anticipate the Padres offer was what it was, and I texted Fathom like 10 minutes before the deal was announced to that end. 

I did not spend much time posting on Soxtalk during the last several months, but I was extremely critical of their negotiation strategy in other areas in the weeks leading up to last Tuesday, and there are members of Soxtalk who can vouch for that. 

I try to keep up with you on Twitter so I might have seen some of it there. The whole thing is just so frustrating as many have said, had they came out of the gate at 8 and 280 or something things could've been much different.

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Just now, Whitesox27 said:

I don't buy the theory that Harper has been their #1 target all along. If that was true, they wouldn't have blown 13 million on Alonso and Jay.

I honestly do not know who their preference was. It seems to have changed over time. That said, who you prefer and who may appear to be more attainable may be different things. 

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6 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

This statement sucks.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!....yourself. 

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7 minutes ago, beckham15 said:

I am not shack, but I believe they got one final chance to match or better the Padres offer and shot it down....

This is what I believe.

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2 minutes ago, Harper2Sox said:

This is what I believe.

And what I believe is they were told they have to match a 300 million dollar offer, and the Sox said "no thanks, we're good with our current offer" with the thought that Lozano was bluffing that they really had 300.  And yes, shack told me shortly before the announcement what the Sox thought the Padres offer was at.

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Just now, Mr. Showtime said:

I try to keep up with you on Twitter so I might have seen some of it there. The whole thing is just so frustrating as many have said, had they came out of the gate at 8 and 280 or something things could've been much different.

If we just limit this to what was out on twitter, it appears Hector Gomez had their basic offer back in late January. So they did try to get this done earlier. The issue is they didn’t close and eventually they left the door open for someone like the Padres, who did. 

We should all know that Lozano was undoubtedly throwing all sorts of nonsense at them, which they were left to try to navigate the best they could. 

My guess is there were some things that they had sort of successfully busted as BS, and they thought the Padres’ offer was BS as well. 

Unfortunately, it was not. 

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5 minutes ago, iamshack said:

I honestly do not know who their preference was. It seems to have changed over time. That said, who you prefer and who may appear to be more attainable may be different things. 

In this case I'm not sure. Bring in his friends and pay him likely less than what Harper will get would seem to be there most preference and most attainable.

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And I will say this for shack...everything he's shared on here or told me about has been accurate regarding Manny.  Never once did he say it was a done deal.  What he did say is that he strongly believed the Sox would get him AS LONG AS they didn't blow the negotiations.

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2 minutes ago, fathom said:

And what I believe is they were told they have to match a 300 million dollar offer, and the Sox said "no thanks, we're good with our current offer" with the thought that Lozano was bluffing that they really had 300.  And yes, shack told me shortly before the announcement what the Sox thought the Padres offer was at.

What did they think it was?

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12 minutes ago, beckham15 said:

I am not shack, but I believe they got one final chance to match or better the Padres offer and shot it down....

The best summary I can give is that sometime about 2 weeks ago Lozano received an offer from the Padres that was higher than the White Sox's offer. I don't believe he told them what the Padres offer was, but he told both the Phillies and White Sox that there was an offer higher than the White Sox's offer.

On Monday, Lozano presented all 3 teams with a number he would sign for, regardless of the earlier numbers. He said Machado would sign for a $300 million guarantee. The Phillies said this was too rich for them. The White Sox increased their offer too the 250/8 that we heard, but would go no farther. The Padres said "Welcome to San Diego". One of those was the correct reply - if you bid against yourself by $10 million, that's not a big amount to get the contract actually done.

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11 minutes ago, iamshack said:

I honestly don’t know what their intentions would have been. I believe they did not anticipate the Padres offer was what it was, and I texted Fathom like 10 minutes before the deal was announced to that end. 

I did not spend much time posting on Soxtalk during the last several months, but I was extremely critical of their negotiation strategy in other areas in the weeks leading up to last Tuesday, and there are members of Soxtalk who can vouch for that. 

I will vouch for this. I personally actually believed they were handling things well. But I was not aware of the so-called $300M ceiling. Honestly, up to the Padres final offer, they probably were in the lead and handled it well. But they didn't close and that's all that matters at the end of the day. 

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1 minute ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said:

I will vouch for this. I personally actually believed they were handling things well. But I was not aware of the so-called $300M ceiling. Honestly, up to the Padres final offer, they probably were in the lead and handled it well. But they didn't close and that's all that matters at the end of the day. 

Which is why I think the 300 million ceiling is and was total BS and just KW trying to justify how they blew the negotiations.

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2 minutes ago, fathom said:

And I will say this for shack...everything he's shared on here or told me about has been accurate regarding Manny.  Never once did he say it was a done deal.  What he did say is that he strongly believed the Sox would get him AS LONG AS they didn't blow the negotiations.

And Fathom was telling me “watch out for SD” and I told him 20 times Manny didn’t want to play there.

He was right. 

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1 minute ago, iamshack said:

Well below that

Not referencing what we talked about, but I always go back to that tweet that some teams thought the Padres offer was 8/240 and others thought it was 8/280.

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2 minutes ago, iamshack said:

If we just limit this to what was out on twitter, it appears Hector Gomez had their basic offer back in late January. So they did try to get this done earlier. The issue is they didn’t close and eventually they left the door open for someone like the Padres, who did. 

We should all know that Lozano was undoubtedly throwing all sorts of nonsense at them, which they were left to try to navigate the best they could. 

My guess is there were some things that they had sort of successfully busted as BS, and they thought the Padres’ offer was BS as well. 

Unfortunately, it was not. 

Appreciate the information. Very sad situation and unfortunate because as you noted this was the opportune time to strike and change the franchise for the next 5 years at least and their desire to not want to over spend hurt them.

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17 minutes ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said:

His point is the information provided trickles down from the front office. The Sox were shocked they didn't land Manny. If the Sox were confident and that trickles to those providing information to SoxTalk, what can anyone do? 

Given they were $50M short on the guarantee, they shouldn't have been that confident, but they were. But SD likely stepped up to the plate the day before he signed or that morning and MM/Lozano pounced. I have no doubt up until that point, MM was headed to Chicago. Unfortunately for the Sox, it tends to happen too much. Off the top of my head ARod, Vizquel (much smaller scale contract-wise), Torii Hunter, obviously Machdado, and even on the trade front, Miguel Cabrera. There are probably others I'm leaving out.

It all happened at a 2 hour lunch that day...that's been reported out officially by the SD Union Tribune writers.

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Just now, iamshack said:

And Fathom was telling me “watch out for SD” and I told him 20 times Manny didn’t want to play there.

He was right. 

Once we heard of the 2nd meeting with the Padres, I got super nervous.  

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1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

It all happened at a 2 hour lunch that day...that's been reported out officially by the SD Union Tribune writers.

The thing that sucks is if Nightengale is to be believed, the Padres weren't going to up their offer from 300 if someone matched it.

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19 minutes ago, beckham15 said:

I am not shack, but I believe they got one final chance to match or better the Padres offer and shot it down....

This did not happen. 

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