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The Phillies owner winds up keeping his promise and spends stupid money this offseason. 

The Sox couldn't get Harper or Machado, but did get friends and family.

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4 minutes ago, Blackout Friday said:

You must be bummed the Cubs didn’t sign him

You're right, I agreed to a 7 day ban bet and lost. Have your way with me Mods. 

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Harper was never going to commit 13 years to the Sox given their payroll limits, rebuild and likely ownership change during that period.

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1 minute ago, Jake said:

That makes no difference is what I'm saying (other than the money you pay now being worth more than paying the same amount later). You're basically buying out all of his productive years for a lump sum and you're assuming his productive years stop sometime well before year 13. So talking about the average cost per year is pretty misleading in terms of how much he's being valued at.

people only care about it because of the luxury tax implications which will matter for a team like the phillies that invests in its ball club. Would have mattered less for white sox who are unlikely to ever operate at that level.

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2 minutes ago, Kpet1010 said:

This deal reaks of boras. 330 mil with no opt outs and no trades, 330 million guaranteed, and Harper gets his money regardless. Meanwhile the Phillies will be stuck with an aging player once he's past his prime, even if the aav is pretty low for an all star.

The Phillies know that the money they're paying at the end doesn't matter any more than the deferred money the White Sox are still paying Konerko. If Harper is even moderately productive at the end of the deal that's an extra win. Spreading it out over 13 years keeps them under the luxury tax in 2020 if they sign anyone else, and they're paying him to be the equivalent of an all star for the next 5-6 years. Anything he does over that last 7 is gravy.

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2 minutes ago, Kpet1010 said:

This deal reaks of boras. 330 mil with no opt outs and no trades, 330 million guaranteed, and Harper gets his money regardless. Meanwhile the Phillies will be stuck with an aging player once he's past his prime, even if the aav is pretty low for an all star.

Yes he won't be the same at age 26 as he will be at 39, but at an avg of $25m a year, you could he saving up front and just consider his later years as "deferred" even though his contract may not have a true deferral in it. I think both sides won in this. 

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Just now, fathom said:

Harper was never going to commit 13 years to the Sox given their payroll limits, rebuild and likely ownership change during that period.

I feel very confident that if sox offered him 10 for 340 he would have signed it despite these limitations.

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If the Sox went after both Harper and Machado they would have 55 million per year in commitments over the next 10 years for both players.

 

That's nothing. Fuck this FO

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Just now, fathom said:

Harper was never going to commit 13 years to the Sox given their payroll limits, rebuild and likely ownership change during that period.

Harper took this deal because it was the only one offered that beat Stanton's deal. This isn't a coincidence - Boras will say whatever he wants to say about how Harper wanted to be there for his career now that the deal is signed, but you know darn well that 330/10 with an opt out after 5 from the White Sox is a deal he takes. 

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1 minute ago, ron883 said:

You're right, I agreed to a 7 day ban bet and lost. Have your way with me Mods. 

So you won the bet then? I’m confused because being banned after this off season is not necessarily bad. 

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Just now, aeichhor said:

Jerry writes the checks. He needs to sell the team to a owner that will actually pay for free agents 

And Rick drafts (bad to mediocre), signs FAs (terrible history), makes trades (hello Tatis and others), and more. What kind of delusional world is someone in thinking he’s done a good job?! Even his trading of a future hall of fame pitcher may end up being a disaster. Eventually he needs to take responsibility.

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1 minute ago, bmags said:

I feel very confident that if sox offered him 10 for 340 he would have signed it despite these limitations.

I agree. Hes got friends and businesses in Chicago too which should equate to something if the money is actually equal (and not 50 mil short)

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1 minute ago, aeichhor said:

Jerry writes the checks. He needs to sell the team to a owner that will actually pay for free agents 

I really have never been anti-Jerry until Machado was lost, but looking at his franchises, it's really time for him to move on. Money is important to him. I don't blame him, it's important to me.  He doen's have the heart to fire anyone, even though they would be long gone with any successful franchise. But he can have all the money he will ever need or want to pass down if he realizes his way doesn't work anymore.  Take some pride in his almost 40 years of ownership with the Sox and Bulls, sell the teams, and take the money and run. Chicago deserves better. 

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9 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said:

But they won't have any albatrosses on their payroll during Jerry's age 90-93 years.

Shoot - Based on the way inflation works and the probably larger % of the financial pie the players who’ll be lobbying for in the coming decades, the PHILLIES might not even have that albatross. $25m could very well be what a 2 WAR player makes in... 2090 or whenever the hell that contract ends

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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

I really have never been anti-Jerry until Machado was lost, but looking at his franchises, it's really time for him to move on. Money is important to him. I don't blame him, it's important to me.  He doen's have the heart to fire anyone, even though they would be long gone with any successful franchise. But he can have all the money he will ever need or want to pass down if he realizes his way doesn't work anymore.  Take some pride in his almost 40 years of ownership with the Sox and Bulls, sell the teams, and take the money and run. Chicago deserves better. 

Yeah, he wasn't the worst owner. But I'm tired of having an owner more invested in the health of the league than the health of the franchise. Like, dude, the revenues are 10 billion, stop forcing your franchise to be the martyr just so you can bend the cba to you year after year.

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3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Harper took this deal because it was the only one offered that beat Stanton's deal. This isn't a coincidence - Boras will say whatever he wants to say about how Harper wanted to be there for his career now that the deal is signed, but you know darn well that 330/10 with an opt out after 5 from the White Sox is a deal he takes. 

For sure. And any idiot could have figured that out weeks ago. 

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Just now, Dick Allen said:

I really have never been anti-Jerry until Machado was lost, but looking at his franchises, it's really time for him to move on. Money is important to him. I don't blame him, it's important to me.  He doen's have the heart to fire anyone, even though they would be long gone with any successful franchise. But he can have all the money he will ever need or want to pass down if he realizes his way doesn't work anymore.  Take some pride in his almost 40 years of ownership with the Sox and Bulls, sell the teams, and take the money and run. Chicago deserves better. 

The sad thing is, this isn't just about making money. The White Sox could easily have afforded Machado or Harper with what they've already done. They could have cleared over $50 million in payroll this offseason if they were desperate to do so and it would have still made them better with one of these guys and probably more profitable thanks to the big name.

You may take your pick. This is about the Front Office staff being inept, or about JR refusing on principle to spend top dollar for individual players.

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2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I really have never been anti-Jerry until Machado was lost, but looking at his franchises, it's really time for him to move on. Money is important to him. I don't blame him, it's important to me.  He doen's have the heart to fire anyone, even though they would be long gone with any successful franchise. But he can have all the money he will ever need or want to pass down if he realizes his way doesn't work anymore.  Take some pride in his almost 40 years of ownership with the Sox and Bulls, sell the teams, and take the money and run. Chicago deserves better. 

Yep he’s run both teams into the ground. They are so similar it’s crazy.

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Basically as a sox fan we have to hope that we get lucky. We won't out execute, we won't out spend, but...maybe we'll get lucky?

 

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5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The Phillies owner winds up keeping his promise and spends stupid money this offseason. 

The Sox couldn't get Harper or Machado, but did get friends and family.

I hope Bryce has some friends and family seeking MLB roster spots that Hahn can still add to his collection. 

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2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I really have never been anti-Jerry until Machado was lost, but looking at his franchises, it's really time for him to move on. Money is important to him. I don't blame him, it's important to me.  He doen's have the heart to fire anyone, even though they would be long gone with any successful franchise. But he can have all the money he will ever need or want to pass down if he realizes his way doesn't work anymore.  Take some pride in his almost 40 years of ownership with the Sox and Bulls, sell the teams, and take the money and run. Chicago deserves better. 

Agree.  Or at least let Michael Reinsdorf take over Sox too.  We know he’s willing to “overpay” (LaVine and Jabari) for production/potential...sometimes it may end up working out (LaVine?) and others times not (Jabari).  But it’s bolder than the boulder that is JR.

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Oh OF is ready for some good defensive play 

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6 minutes ago, shipps said:

So you won the bet then? I’m confused because being banned after this off season is not necessarily bad. 

Looks like I outsmarted you all. Take that soxtalk!

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