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13 minutes ago, aeichhor said:

 

Glad he distinguished between a couple and a few.

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46 minutes ago, timbo8 said:

are you guys buying this padres stuff about harper and manny

Depends on what you mean by "buying it".  I have no doubt they have interest and have tried to work into his camp, but I also have no doubt that SD will NOT be the highest bidder and therefore will be on the outside looking it when all is said and done.  Realistically there are 2, maybe 3 teams which are REALISTIC threats for Harper just based on what we know to this point, and that is the Phillies and Sox at 1 and 1A, with the Nats in the picture if Lerner is willing to go hella deep into the Luxury Tax hole and still is standing behind his $300m plus offer (or more).

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Giants are totally going to end up helping the Yankees or Cubs get Bryce if they're really looking at stuff like this:

 

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Just now, fathom said:

Giants are totally going to end up helping the Yankees or Cubs get Bryce if they're really looking at stuff like this:

 

Would that make you happy?

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1 hour ago, timbo8 said:

chilli this so stupid who care if you waiting on somebody he should be singed by now and be getting ready for training camp

Hilarious.

 

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Just now, fathom said:

Giants are totally going to end up helping the Yankees or Cubs get Bryce if they're really looking at stuff like this:

 

He’s saying it would be an even trade of contracts so I don’t know how that will help them.

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2 hours ago, fathom said:

Giants are totally going to end up helping the Yankees or Cubs get Bryce if they're really looking at stuff like this:

 

But it it’s to send another bad contract the other way I don’t see how they would be helping them. Where does a guy like Cueto fit on the Yankees? Their rotation is set.

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1 minute ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

But it it’s to send another bad contract the other way I don’t see how they would be helping them. Where does a guy like Cueto fit on the Yankees? Their rotation is set.

Not only that, but the Giants are a semi well-run organization which has won 3 titles this decade. The Marlins and Athletics are there to self-immolate to make the Yankees better. The Giants aren't going to do that.

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1 minute ago, Roughneck said:

Not only that, but the Giants are a semi well-run organization which has won 3 titles this decade. The Marlins and Athletics are there to self-immolate to make the Yankees better. The Giants aren't going to do that.

They do have a new sheriff in town, but I have a hard time believing this is a move he would make. The Giants are going to be hard to predict though, Zaidi has made secrecy a priority and they haven't telegraphed much.

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12 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

But it it’s to send another bad contract the other way I don’t see how they would be helping them. Where does a guy like Cueto fit on the Yankees? Their rotation is set.

Well if he had TJ surgery and out all of next year, he slides into CC's spot in 2020.

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6 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

Well if he had TJ surgery and out all of next year, he slides into CC's spot in 2020.

Right, but that still doesn't help them to shed money to sign Machado, which is Fathom's fear.

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5 minutes ago, Roughneck said:

Right, but that still doesn't help them to shed money to sign Machado, which is Fathom's fear.

Insurance will help with money but doesn't clear salary 

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4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Depends on what you mean by "buying it".  I have no doubt they have interest and have tried to work into his camp, but I also have no doubt that SD will NOT be the highest bidder and therefore will be on the outside looking it when all is said and done.  Realistically there are 2, maybe 3 teams which are REALISTIC threats for Harper just based on what we know to this point, and that is the Phillies and Sox at 1 and 1A, with the Nats in the picture if Lerner is willing to go hella deep into the Luxury Tax hole and still is standing behind his $300m plus offer (or more).

Are you sure about that?  The Pads appear to have more payroll flexibility at the moment than even the Sox do, AND they have three contracts in their history larger than any White Sox contract ever given, including the Hosmer $144 million contract signed last year.  So an objective eye could look at this and think the Sox would be less likely inclined to be the highest bidder than the Padres, given each team's relative history as far as spending on premier free agents goes.  

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7 minutes ago, Fan O'Faust said:

Are you sure about that?  The Pads appear to have more payroll flexibility at the moment than even the Sox do, AND they have three contracts in their history larger than any White Sox contract ever given, including the Hosmer $144 million contract signed last year.  So an objective eye could look at this and think the Sox would be less likely inclined to be the highest bidder than the Padres, given each team's relative history as far as spending on premier free agents goes.  

They would be wrong.

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10 minutes ago, Fan O'Faust said:

Are you sure about that?  The Pads appear to have more payroll flexibility at the moment than even the Sox do, AND they have three contracts in their history larger than any White Sox contract ever given, including the Hosmer $144 million contract signed last year.  So an objective eye could look at this and think the Sox would be less likely inclined to be the highest bidder than the Padres, given each team's relative history as far as spending on premier free agents goes.  

The Padres having more payroll flexibility is questionable. They also have Will Myers with a ballooning deal, which will pay $22 million next year. They don't have a lot of contract commits, but neither do we. Right now Baseball-Reference puts them at $72 million committed this year and us at $81 million, before the guys needed to fill out the roster. Next year the White Sox have $33 million committed while the Padres have $41 million, but they have 14 guys who will be arb-eligible in 2020 so theirs will balloon if they even keep most of them. If both teams picked up all options and arb for everyone, they would have $110 million on the books, we would have $60 million. 

The Padres have also never had a payroll as high as the White Sox's peak years.

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10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

The Padres having more payroll flexibility is questionable. They also have Will Myers with a ballooning deal, which will pay $22 million next year. They don't have a lot of contract commits, but neither do we. Right now Baseball-Reference puts them at $72 million committed this year and us at $81 million, before the guys needed to fill out the roster. Next year the White Sox have $33 million committed while the Padres have $41 million, but they have 14 guys who will be arb-eligible in 2020 so theirs will balloon if they even keep most of them. If both teams picked up all options and arb for everyone, they would have $110 million on the books, we would have $60 million. 

The Padres have also never had a payroll as high as the White Sox's peak years.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/payroll/

Over $23 million in dead contracts this year, Myers’ deal blowing up next year and at least 14 other salaries undetermined to fill out a roster...so let’s call it $78-79 million.

 

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Padres are not a serious suitor.  This is all smoke and mirrors to appease a fan base still irritated with the “paying down debt” narrative Padres spun just a little while ago.

To further prove that point, the original interest was if the bidding and price stays low enough to their liking.

And then the recent “leaks” that they were leaning towards Harper for the marketing power he provides just as Hosmer was vouching for Moustakas. 

This is all agent and team BS to help one another...agents with “mystery team and more bidders” and Padres with “we are trying.”

 

 

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3 hours ago, soxfan2014 said:

Well if he had TJ surgery and out all of next year, he slides into CC's spot in 2020.

Seems like a foolish move for the Yankees handcuff themselves to a guy in Cueto's position with the amount of FA starting options next offseason.

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6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Everything that isn't your conjecture. 

So all we have to go on is your superior insight to support your contention the Sox couldn’t possibly be outbid by the Padres.  Nothing else? 

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6 hours ago, Fan O'Faust said:

So all we have to go on is your superior insight to support your contention the Sox couldn’t possibly be outbid by the Padres.  Nothing else? 

Again,  if you want to ignore everything else, sure. You heard it here 1st folks, Harper to the Padres per FoF.

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