fathom Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 The fact they have the same agent is interesting also. If for some reason Lozano said that if Hahn gets Yonder and that will make Manny choose them, that's a good way to have the Sox never negotiate with you again if he backtracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Isn't he meeting 5 other teams over the next few weeks? I don't think it'll happen Monday. Not buying 6 teams. I think that is agentspeak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I went into this offseason believing both were possible - that we could “be on the verge of seeing a historic offseason.” Not at all saying it’s happening... just see this as possible. Many laughed when I said that, now not so much. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 If the Sox land one of these guys, it makes this a much more attractive free agents destination than it currently is. They know it and they're pulling out all the stops on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 minute ago, iamshack said: Not buying 6 teams. I think that is agentspeak. Same. It's gotta be the Yankees, Phillies, and Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 minute ago, hi8is said: I went into this offseason believing both were possible - that we could “be on the verge of seeing a historic offseason.” Not at all saying it’s happening... just see this as possible. Many laughed when I said that, now not so much. 😆 I wish but I really don't think they'd like to play with each other. Harper wants to build his brand and be "the guy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 42 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: This is really odd if you ask me. Sox now have Castillo and Alonso almost specifically just for recruiting Manny. If the Sox don't land one of Harper/Manny they are absolutely going to look foolish to the rest of MLB. Was Castillo signed last year with the specific intent to help the signing of Machado this year? really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Someone else already mentioned it, but Hahn’s comments on this trade are going to be hilarious as fuck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, fathom said: The fact they have the same agent is interesting also. If for some reason Lozano said that if Hahn gets Yonder and that will make Manny choose them, that's a good way to have the Sox never negotiate with you again if he backtracks. Yeah this is a good point. You are selling me. I had a really hard time believing that this was actually a powerful tool to sign him. But the Hahn quote and agent thing, that would be pretty brutal to mislead on when you have other clients and this team happens to be one of the few with money and desire to spend soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Are you fucking serious? You really don't get it? Dear lord. I do. But it wasn’t necessary to do first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 With this move, I believe the 40-Man is now 100% full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 minute ago, whitesoxwinner said: I wish but I really don't think they'd like to play with each other. Harper wants to build his brand and be "the guy". He would also want to win though. Machado would help him win. Harper would still have brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I'll join the pessimist train. First, Alonso sucks. Look at bWAR and OPS- he's basically Davidson. Second, I don't buy the BIL thing at all. A soon-to-be gazillionaire is going to determine where he plays for a good portion of the rest of his career based on his journeyman brother-in-law? No f'in way. Ever heard of this thing called a "jet"? Third, this another of Rick Hahn's hedges. Fail on Harper, fail on Machado, but, "after much analysis and heartache, we determined that a major signing was not right for this franchise at this time, and decided to stay the course with the long-term development of our prospects." Our decision to trade for two other scrubs and sign one backs me up here. We're hedging and acquiring the second rate guys so management can shrug and say we tried. I'll be happy to eat crow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, bmags said: Yeah this is a good point. You are selling me. I had a really hard time believing that this was actually a powerful tool to sign him. But the Hahn quote and agent thing, that would be pretty brutal to mislead on when you have other clients and this team happens to be one of the few with money and desire to spend soon. Like has there even been a case before where a player (making 9 million dollars)was acquired just to try and help recruit someone? That's the type of stuff that SHOULD get a GM fired immediately if it doesn't pan out. Also, have we ever figured out who Eddie Robinson in this FA class is? I know Grandal was Boozer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Saufley said: Was Castillo signed last year with the specific intent to help the signing of Machado this year? really? I doubt that was the main reason, but there was a story around SoxFest where someone asked him if he would recruit Machado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: I do. But it wasn’t necessary to do first. No you clearly don't. The point is to bring him in to help bring Machado here. How does that make sense to do the trade after? Edited December 15, 2018 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, Soxbadger said: 2 years ago barely anyone would have believed Sox would be in the hunt to get Machado or Harper, now it seems they are. Even if they miss you are talking about moonshot free agents on their first try. The expectation should be failure. How many teams miss out on top tier free agents every year, even the Red Sox and Yankees. The Yankees also hit on these often enough. We don't. Hahn and company haven't earned the understanding that Yanks and Red Sox fans ought to give to their leadership cadres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Saufley said: Was Castillo signed last year with the specific intent to help the signing of Machado this year? really? LOL. Hahn as genius-savant. That’s why we had Michael Ynoa, to guarantee the signing of Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, caulfield12 said: LOL. Hahn as genius-savant. That’s why we had Michael Ynoa, to guarantee the signing of Robert. Have a night caulfield, have a night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: I do. But it wasn’t necessary to do first. Dude, you have no fucking clue if that’s true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Like has there even been a case before where a player (making 9 million dollars)was acquired just to try and help recruit someone? That's the type of stuff that SHOULD get a GM fired immediately if it doesn't pan out. Also, have we ever figured out who Eddie Robinson in this FA class is? I know Grandal was Boozer. It would have been Corbin honestly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said: No you clearly don't. The point is to bring him in to help bring Machado here. How does that make sense to do the trade after? The Indians were still going to be desperate to trade him, next week, next month or next March 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Also, this is now 4 for 4 in terms of the media not having any idea that the Sox were about to make a move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I don't think there's any back channel communication here, I just think they brought him in because it might boost their chances from like 5% to 7%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, bmags said: It would have been Corbin honestly I'm thinking Pollock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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