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Just now, beckham15 said:

Man I was really hoping the rumor mill would start churning today......instead only what we’ve already known and everything else is dead silent.....

I don't think it's the worst thing that we haven't heard anything yet.

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1 minute ago, fathom said:

I don't think it's the worst thing that we haven't heard anything yet.

Yeah we haven’t really seen anything leaked about any of the other moves we pulled off this offseason so maybe that’s a good thing 

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1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said:

I would give my right nut for Machado to sign with the Sox.

You won't do it 

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1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said:

I would give my right nut for Machado to sign with the Sox.

Please don't.

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17 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

That's all I was saying since it was proposed as a way to help the Dodgers get Harper if they want him and have to clear payroll space. No one including the Sox should make it easy on them. I'm sure there can be all kinds of trade scenarios that could include Taylor or guys more valuable to us then guys with looming FA years in a year or 2 like Puig Wood and Pederson. Taking those 3 would be a huge help to them and very little to the Sox.

Trying to think of a team that does horrifically dumb things to help out teams, and the Marlins came to mind. How do the rules work with teams sending money? If the Dodgers gave Kemp or another high-priced player to the Marlins, but then sent $20 mil to relieve some of his salary, would that $20 mil count against the Dodgers' number? I'd think it has to.

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13 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

I would give my right nut for Machado to sign with the Sox.

What would Manny Machado want with your testicle? And you're not even giving him the whole set.

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something to keep an eye on is the Dodgers 40 man is currently at 41 after signing Joe Kelly.  It's unusual that they've waited so long to announce a corresponding DFA, so it's possible there's a trade about to happen.

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10 minutes ago, Roughneck said:

Trying to think of a team that does horrifically dumb things to help out teams, and the Marlins came to mind. How do the rules work with teams sending money? If the Dodgers gave Kemp or another high-priced player to the Marlins, but then sent $20 mil to relieve some of his salary, would that $20 mil count against the Dodgers' number? I'd think it has to.

I think it would count against the Marlins. They take on the salary but receive cash to pay him. It's not just just splitting the contract.

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4 minutes ago, fathom said:

something to keep an eye on is the Dodgers 40 man is currently at 41 after signing Joe Kelly.  It's unusual that they've waited so long to announce a corresponding DFA, so it's possible there's a trade about to happen.

They've only formally announced it an hour or so ago. Not that long.

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18 minutes ago, Roughneck said:

Trying to think of a team that does horrifically dumb things to help out teams, and the Marlins came to mind. How do the rules work with teams sending money? If the Dodgers gave Kemp or another high-priced player to the Marlins, but then sent $20 mil to relieve some of his salary, would that $20 mil count against the Dodgers' number? I'd think it has to.

If the Dodgers send out money then that money does in fact count against the Dodgers for luxury tax accounting purposes. It is also spread evenly over the remainder of the deal they send out.

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5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If the Dodgers send out money then that money does in fact count against the Dodgers for luxury tax accounting purposes. It is also spread evenly over the remainder of the deal they send out.

I'm not sure if that's accurate. Does anyone know for sure? One way to find out is how much of James Shields salary effected our luxury tax since the Padres sent us money.

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1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said:

I'm not sure if that's accurate. Does anyone know? One would to find out is how much of James Shields salary effected our luxury tax since the Padres sent us money.

It has to count against them. Otherwise, the Cubs would pin an $80 million bill to Heyward's coat and send him off to another team so they could sign Harper.

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Just now, Roughneck said:

It has to count against them. Otherwise, the Cubs would pin an $80 million bill to Heyward's coat and send him off to another team so they could sign Harper.

But then that other team would have the hit on their luxury tax and they may not want that either.

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I really just don't see us landing machado. I think that the Phillies are ahead of us in money/preferable destination, and people seem to forget the amount of connections he has to their front office. I thought Harper would be more realistic, but evidently it has turned out not to be the case. And I do think we are a year away from trading prospects for a young, controllable guy. Even if we were ready to make a trade like that there's nobody on the market who fits that criteria other than Realmuto, and I don't see us going after another catcher.

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1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said:

But then that other team would have the hit on their luxury tax and they may not want that either.

No. The other team would only have the hit for the portion they had to pay Heyward, which would be roughly $5 mil a year.

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8 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

I'm not sure if that's accurate. Does anyone know for sure? One way to find out is how much of James Shields salary effected our luxury tax since the Padres sent us money.

here's the raw text from the CBA, the important phrase for your question is the first:

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(iii) Cash Consideration: An assignor Club that pays cash consideration to defray all or part of the salary obligation of the assignee Club for an assigned Player or Players shall include such cash consideration in its Actual Club Payroll on a pro-rata basis over the remaining Guaranteed Years of the assigned Contract(s). Cash consideration that is conditionally payable based on the Player’s earning of performance or award bonuses will be included in the Actual Club Payroll of the Club responsible for paying the bonus in the Contract Year in which the bonus is earned. Cash consideration that is conditionally payable based on the outcome of Club or Player Option decisions will be included in the pro-rata calculation described above if the consideration is contingent on the decline of a Club Option Year or the exercise of a Player Option Year, but will not be included if contingent on the exercise of a Club Option Year or the decline of a Player Option Year. If any cash consideration not originally included in the pro-rata calculation described above is ultimately paid as a result of the outcome of Club or Player Option decisions, the cash consideration will be included in the Contract Year(s) covered by the Club or Player Options. An assignor Club that pays cash consideration in lieu of assigning an unnamed player shall include such cash consideration in its Actual Club Payroll in the Contract Year in which the cash consideration is paid.

Any cash consideration that is included in the Actual Club Payroll of the payor Club shall be subtracted from the Actual Club Payroll of the payee Club in the same Contract Year in which it is added to the payor Club’s Actual Club Payroll. Notwithstanding the foregoing, an assignee Club may not receive an aggregate credit against its Actual Club Payroll(s) for cash consideration received in an assignment that exceeds the sum of (a) the total amount of the acquired Player(s) Salaries that are included in the Club’s Actual Club Payroll(s) following the assignment, and (b) any cash consideration paid by the assignee Club to another Club in a subsequent assignment of the acquired Player(s) that is attributable to those Players.

 

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3 minutes ago, Rowand44 said:

I will not give any of my nuts for Machado but I really do hope he signs with the Sox!

Speaking of nuts, I think if a signing doesn’t happen soon my wife just may cut mine off lol

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1 hour ago, fathom said:

something to keep an eye on is the Dodgers 40 man is currently at 41 after signing Joe Kelly.  It's unusual that they've waited so long to announce a corresponding DFA, so it's possible there's a trade about to happen.

That’s a good point. Very real possibility. 

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