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3 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

The only thing that makes me worry here is that the reported interest in two other 1B/DH types (Martinez & dumb parrot) only makes sense if they expect to move on from Alonso and/or Abreu, neither of which would happen if Machado was gonna be here. 

There is some real smoke here, is all. 

That is why I am buying it. Both came out the same day. Maybe a coincidence, maybe both fake, but that doesn’t seem likely.

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Just now, caulfield12 said:

You must not read much at Cleveland.com, they’re incredibly brutal with the Dolan regime because of how many teardown cycles they’ve been forced to sit through.   Maybe even worse than Twins’ fans with the Pohlads.

They're not even in a "tear down" cycle now.

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3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

They’re actually going to say it was all a ruse to excite the fanbase but they never really expected to sign either player, but were willing to get involved in order to drive up the price for competitors like the Yankees and Cubs?

He really wants to play with his brother in law and once he meets and gets to know Rick Hahn and Ricky Renteria, he'll be  absolutely enamored and would want to sign nowhere else.

Edited by GreenSox

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Assuming MM does sign with NY. Who do they move in a deal?  Gregorious to make room at SS or Andujar to make room at 3B? Granted they would’nt have to make this decision until Didi returns from the DL in June, still something to monitor going forward. I personally would love Andujar at 3B. 

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Just now, GreatScott82 said:

Assuming MM does sign with NY. Who do they move in a deal?  Gregorious to make room at SS or Andujar to make room at 3B? Granted they would’nt have to make this decision until Didi returns from the DL in June, still something to monitor going forward. I personally would love Andujar at 3B. 

I'd imagine they'd just hold all of them and make it a rotation over the last couple months, filling their DH slot sometimes with each of them.

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1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Just so I make sure which part of that statement you're aiming at - you're saying the White Sox went into this with a spending limit and were willing to miss both of those guys if they were outbid beyond that limit, and those limits are at values that it's entirely plausible another team will beat?

No. I’m saying this is not an exercise in futility, by any means. I’m honestly not sure what the Sox’ thinking is regarding where they need to be regarding other clubs, particularly those which might have certain advantages other than $. To be honest, what they think doesn’t matter. All that matters is whether they have offers on the table good enough to entice the player to sign with them.

And they do.

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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

That is why I am buying it. Both came out the same day. Maybe a coincidence, maybe both fake, but that doesn’t seem likely.

Just out of curiosity, but what does acquiring EE accomplish?  Like what do you think our endgame would be by making such a move?

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3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

What does our interest in those two say about Harper, though? In other words, there are optimistic and pessimistic angles for pretty much every leak

I guess, lol. 

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1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

I'd imagine they'd just hold all of them and make it a rotation over the last couple months, filling their DH slot sometimes with each of them.

That’s a good point. And a wonderful problem to have. That team is going to be filthy good for a long time. 

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2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I wonder if all the big name insiders are enjoying their New Year’s vacation early, because there’s still no one reporting on this.

Pretty Sure Rosenthal is in the Dominican or something.

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2 minutes ago, iamshack said:

No. I’m saying this is not an exercise in futility, by any means. I’m honestly not sure what the Sox’ thinking is regarding where they need to be regarding other clubs, particularly those which might have certain advantages other than $. To be honest, what they think doesn’t matter. All that matters is whether they have offers on the table good enough to entice the player to sign with them.

And they do.

Not if said player signs elsewhere.

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2 minutes ago, iamshack said:

No. I’m saying this is not an exercise in futility, by any means. I’m honestly not sure what the Sox’ thinking is regarding where they need to be regarding other clubs, particularly those which might have certain advantages other than $. To be honest, what they think doesn’t matter. All that matters is whether they have offers on the table good enough to entice the player to sign with them.

And they do.

As long as the last few dregs of humanity who care about the White Sox agree that we need to evaluate RH and company based on those offers, I'm ok with that.

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2 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

"Most teams"?? Come on now. 

Well I guess most teams as in all the teams that would normally spend that much and take advantage of the system (literally the Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, Red Sox in the penalty box that year).

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5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Since you think the White Sox are still in and have made what Obviouly would have be a bigger bid than the Yankees and basically calling this report fake, aren’t you drawing your own conclusions?  What makes what I am using vs what you are using any less accurate?

I have never once said Sox had the biggest offer. I am advocating that Clark’s report does not suggest this process being complete and either Sox or Phillies COULD still make one last offer to sway Machado the other way. But you’re already making assumption that the deal is done they’re already arranging physicals and coordinating a time to announce signing, when literally no other new outlet has picked up on this transpiring (I will say until this happens no agreement is in place) . I guess it makes you feel better and leap to conclusion you were right that Sox has failed again.

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2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

As long as the last few dregs of humanity who care about the White Sox agree that we need to evaluate RH and company based on those offers, I'm ok with that.

So let’s say the Sox land one or even both of these guys. 

How does one evaluate Rick Hahn and Co versus if they land neither?

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3 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

"Most teams"?? Come on now. 

Ironically, the Cardinals are probably thanking their lucky stars Price and Heyward spurned their offers.  Even teams with 2nd or 3rd best attendance in MLB have a problem when going up head to head against the Red Sox and Cubs.

It was actually a bit shocking he chose the Sox over StL.  Maybe the single most surprising event for the Sox this decade.

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2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Ironically, the Cardinals are probably thanking their lucky stars Price and Heyward spurned their offers.  Even teams with 2nd or 3rd best attendance in MLB have a problem when going up head to head against the Red Sox and Cubs.

It was actually a bit shocking he chose the Sox over StL.  Maybe the single most surprising event for the Sox this decade.

Not really due to the Cuban connections. If the money is close, the Sox have to be in favor, which they signed him so it all worked out for us.

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1 minute ago, iamshack said:

So let’s say the Sox land one or even both of these guys. 

How does one evaluate Rick Hahn and Co versus if they land neither?

Even though odds are high that a deal like that would come to be regretted later, getting a contract signed with one of those two is the only measure of success that 95% of Sox fans are going to care about.

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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Just out of curiosity, but what does acquiring EE accomplish?  Like what do you think our endgame would be by making such a move?

I have the same question. But Morosi is one of the major guys. People have bought his stuff all offseason. 

The only thing that might make sense is if they signed Harper, there would be no need for Alonso since they would slide Palka to DH. 

I would imagine Alonso would be in the deal. Jerry D gets to make another trade and saves a little coin. But it still doesn’t make much sense to me from a White asox perspective, and now you have to count on Harper. And he he went somewhere else......

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1 minute ago, iamshack said:

So let’s say the Sox land one or even both of these guys. 

How does one evaluate Rick Hahn and Co versus if they land neither?

It’s simple, they executed their three year plan versus failing it. They wouldn’t be out of the woods just yet though because they need more than just one of these two, they need the continued development of their prospects to pan out for once.

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Not that I want this to happen, but let's say the Sox miss on both Harper and Machado but sign Pollock to play CF and Moustakas to play 3B, both on 3 or 4 year deals. How would you guys react to that?  

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