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Machado: Update - Manny, do you officially like us?

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18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Has anyone else commented on this rumor?  Rosenthal hasn’t posted to Twitter in a few days, so he may in fact be on vacation as Shack had suggested.  But all the other major insiders have posted since Dan Clark’s “breaking news” and there hasn’t been a peep from any of them.  All I’ve seen is a couple questionable New York “insiders” jump on this but bring nothing new to the table.  The silence is pretty odd if there’s any truth to this rumor and I find it really odd that mlbtraderumors hasn’t made a post about this yet if Dan Clark had even the slightest amount of credibility.

The longer this goes unacknowledged by other new outlets the better the situation is for the Sox. You just know someone somewhere is trying to confirm with either party whether a deal is in place but 24 hours has passed and not a peep. I also pointed out the MLBTR thing today and it basically shows even they are questioning the legitimacy of this "news".

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3 hours ago, The Beast said:

An announcement and some clarification on what they are planning to do. I am beyond confused by the Encarnacion rumors other than it wouldn’t take much to get him and he could hold down third base for a year. Jose Martinez would make sense if one of or both Alonso and Abreu were sent packing. I don’t understand what the plan is and time is going to tell. I think Machado is as good as a Yankee and would put money on it if I bet.

You don't understand that EE is possibly both a negotiation tool and part of a plan B?

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14 minutes ago, ptatc said:

You don't understand that EE is possibly both a negotiation tool and part of a plan B?

I hate him as a Plan B unless we are either given him for nothing to try to flip at the trade deadline, or he comes with a prospect to offset some cost.

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Plan B is to bench Palka, the only young player who really came out of nowhere to show some promise?

Sounds about right.

What surplus value could he possibly have at that salary?  OTOH, his agent might actually believe the White Sox are perhaps the only MLB team willing to play him at third?

Wouldn’t it be simpler to just announce they’re moving Moncada to third?

 

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16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Plan B is to bench Palka, the only young player who really came out of nowhere to show some promise?

Sounds about right.

What surplus value could he possibly have at that salary?  OTOH, his agent might actually believe the White Sox are perhaps the only MLB team willing to play him at third?

Wouldn’t it be simpler to just announce they’re moving Moncada to third?

 

There is zero chance the Sox trade for EE and move him to 3B.

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2 hours ago, ptatc said:

You don't understand that EE is possibly both a negotiation tool and part of a plan B?

A negotiation for taking on his contract in addition to prospects?

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13 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

So can we all agree that Dan Clark's tweet is a load of crap?

Would have felt much better if there was anything suggesting it was false today 

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35 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

So can we all agree that Dan Clark's tweet is a load of crap?

In 24 hours literally no one has been willing to go on record to say that. Not even a qualified "As of now..." type of tweet has been made to disqualify it.

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23 minutes ago, fathom said:

Would have felt much better if there was anything suggesting it was false today 

There hasn't been anything suggesting it was true either...

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Honestly, if we're out on both Harper and Machado, I want the Sox to get in on Keuchel.  He's a guy who can at least anchor the rotation for the next few years.  

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15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

In 24 hours literally no one has been willing to go on record to say that. Not even a qualified "As of now..." type of tweet has been made to disqualify it.

Nor has anyone gone on record to confirm it.

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16 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said:

Honestly, if we're out on both Harper and Machado, I want the Sox to get in on Keuchel.  He's a guy who can at least anchor the rotation for the next few years.  

Now I want ALL THREE!

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24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

In 24 hours literally no one has been willing to go on record to say that. Not even a qualified "As of now..." type of tweet has been made to disqualify it.

I will say this, this could also just be a perfect storm of it being the holidays and dan Clark not being big enough to respond to. Typically even a lower level guy making a claim like this would cause a huge stir. This has been incredibly muted considering it’s biggest story of offseason. I think holidays and him not being a tier big enough that their audience knows about it plays into it.

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9 hours ago, Whitesox27 said:

I personally don't think Pollock or Moustakas are the long term answers either, but I'd much rather have them than Engel and Yolmer if push came to shove.

And therein lies the rub. You see a lot of complaining here that the Sox are an undesirable team because they are so bad and that's why the whales won't come here. Then you see if neither whale signs here then stay the course. In other words  suck for another year thereby being in the same situation when it comes to getting FA's.

It's a classic Catch 22. In order to be attractive to FA's we must be good but if we can't sign FA's then suck again and continue to be unattractive to FA's. And round and round we go.

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1 hour ago, ChiSox1917 said:

Honestly, if we're out on both Harper and Machado, I want the Sox to get in on Keuchel.  He's a guy who can at least anchor the rotation for the next few years.  

Not me.  Doesn’t strike anyone out.  Big contract for a non TOS, seems like huge potential for a lefty James Shields signing and we probably would not be lucky enough to get another team to bail us out of it the way Rick and Kenny bailed out the Padres.

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10 hours ago, soxfan2014 said:

I give you a trophy for your comment about framing.

Ha damn I should've got tons of trophies then. I've been a thorn in many's sides with my similar comments on framing.

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32 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

And therein lies the rub. You see a lot of complaining here that the Sox are an undesirable team because they are so bad and that's why the whales won't come here. Then you see if neither whale signs here then stay the course. In other words  suck for another year thereby being in the same situation when it comes to getting FA's.

It's a classic Catch 22. In order to be attractive to FA's we must be good but if we can't sign FA's then suck again and continue to be unattractive to FA's. And round and round we go.

I don’t want to suck next year, but I don’t want to commit big dollars to B free agents at this point in time.  And while I wouldn’t be against Moustakas, it would have to be on a one year deal.  Giving him four years would be the definition of insanity IMO.

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8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t want to suck next year, but I don’t want to commit big dollars to B free agents at this point in time.  And while I wouldn’t be against Moustakas, it would have to be on a one year deal.  Giving him four years would be the definition of insanity IMO.

One year stop-gap signings are completely worthless for this team. It’s why Jose Martinez is so much more intriguing than EE.  All I know is I will have a hard time forgiving Hahn if he goes two straight offseasons without adding someone who should be a contributor in 2021.

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6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t want to suck next year, but I don’t want to commit big dollars to B free agents at this point in time.  And while I wouldn’t be against Moustakas, it would have to be on a one year deal.  Giving him four years would be the definition of insanity IMO.

Oh I understand but then when Arenaado and Rendon and all the whale pitchers become available next year how do we entice them because we suck and aren't competitive ? I remember my very earliest posts on Machado and Harper were arguing we wouldn't be a destination because we are so bad and all I kept hearing is it's all about the money. I came around to thinking we had a chance because of the money and the approach to making Machado feel at home here. So now all we hear is maybe it's not all just about the money with those 2. Do we go into next off season after sucking still thinking it's all about the money or was the Machado and Harper sagas just different from most FA's ?

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Just now, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Oh I understand but then when Arenaado and Rendon and all the whale pitchers become available next year how do we entice them because we suck and aren't competitive ? I remember my very earliest posts on Machado and Harper were arguing we wouldn't be a destination because we are so bad and all I kept hearing is it's all about the money. I came around to thinking we had a chance because of the money and the approach to making Machado feel at home here. So now all we hear is maybe it's not all just about the money with those 2. Do we go into next off season after sucking still thinking it's all about the money or was the Machado and Harper sagas just different from most FA's ?

I do think they are a bit different than most free agents.  Harper cares more about his brand than probably any other player, while Manny has supposedly always wanted to play for the Yankees.  

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1 minute ago, fathom said:

One year stop-gap signings are completely worthless for this team. It’s why Jose Martinez is so much more intriguing than EE.  All I know is I will have a hard time forgiving Hahn if he goes two straight offseasons without adding someone who should be a contributor in 2021.

And you will have a hard time forgiving Hahn for not getting a whale because we suck at baseball but yet if we suck next year you still expect him to add when it will be the exact same sucking team only with a better idea of where the prospects are in their development.

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