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Just now, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Herrera wouldn't be a terrible signing, but his massive drop in K/9 is a little alarming. Still only 29 though.

In terms of reliever years, with his overusage in KC and the resulting drop off in FB velocity the last two years and considering that Latin American prospects are throwing hard in the mid 80’s at 13-14, 29 is no longer a spring chicken.

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5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I agree.  When it comes to young relievers, I like having several guys competing for spots and then allowing the winners to prove themselves in low leverage situations.  If all goes well, the first group moves into high leverage roles and the next wave gets their opportunity.

I came here to post exactly this. Well said. 

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2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

You don’t have to throw them into the closer’s role right away...when’s the last time we did that with a rookie pitcher?

Jenks?

 

Yea, I believe so. But isn't that a different situation? Hermanson's back exploded and Takatsu was toast. Sox didn't really have a choice other than closer by committee and Jenks ran away with it.

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1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

In terms of reliever years, with his overusage in KC and the resulting drop off in FB velocity the last two years and considering that Latin American prospects are throwing hard in the mid 80’s at 13-14, 29 is no longer a spring chicken.

He had FB velocity drop? I was unaware of that. Thought his stats were due to injuries he had last year. That's a little more problematic. Ottavino must be asking for the moon.

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32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Soria netting someone who won’t even be our next playoff roster versus 12-15 ex Royals signings that didn’t help at all the last twenty years?  Okay.  In general, they tend to look better against the Sox than ON the Sox.

By that theory, we can only successfully trade with the DBacks and Cubs now.

K. Jermaine Dye.

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1 minute ago, bmags said:

K. Jermaine Dye.

He came from the Athletics.  What next, guys who only played in their minor leagues?

Most often, we’re taking them directly from KC, dudes like Felipe Paulino or Mark Teahen.

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43 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

He came from the Athletics.  What next, guys who only played in their minor leagues?

Most often, we’re taking them directly from KC, dudes like Felipe Paulino or Mark Teahen.

Herrera is coming directly from WAS so how's that any different? 

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Herrera hasn't pitched much in the last couple of years, and what he did last year wasn't good.  Just as soon go with the young guys - they have two vets.

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6 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

Herrera is coming directly from WAS so how's that any different? 

Typical Caufield rambling about a bunch of things without correlation. He’s still eating crow for his hot take on Soria last off-season.

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Coop'll fix em.  The guy has unreal stuff.  If you we can somehow pair him with Ottavino, we have one of the best pens in baseball.   That Jones-Herrera-Colome-Ottavino is sick.  Even without Ottavino it's top half good with the potential to breakout if one of the kids get going.

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2 hours ago, thxfrthmmrs said:

Typical Caufield rambling about a bunch of things without correlation. He’s still eating crow for his hot take on Soria last off-season.

Greg and I were referring to him as a closer, which he didn’t end up doing as a member of the White Sox more than once or twice.

It’s okay, if they sign Herrera, you will still be hearing how Greg will refuse to buy MLB Extra Innings or concession items and souvenirs at the ballpark this year.

Without Harper or Machado, the only reason to watch this season is Jimenez and Moncada.  If they were smart, they would realize how much value there is adding a name player that would take the pressure off all those young guys.

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3 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

Herrera is coming directly from WAS so how's that any different? 

What team would you identify Herrera with if we acquired him, KC or Washington?  1/2 a season versus an entire career?

Jermaine Dye played 4.5 years with KC and 3.5 years with the Oakland A’s.   He was more identified with a perennially contending Oakland A’s team as a veteran leader than the Braves or Royals at that point in his career.

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3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

What team would you identify Herrera with if we acquired him, KC or Washington?  1/2 a season versus an entire career?

Jermaine Dye played 4.5 years with KC and 3.5 years with the Oakland A’s.   He was more identified with a perennially contending Oakland A’s team as a veteran leader than the Braves or Royals at that point in his career.

Who the fuck cares who he identifies with?  This makes no SENSE CAULFIELD!!!!!!  He doesn't get better or worse for the Sox depending on who he identifies with!!!!  

And this is wrong too, Soria had 16 saves for the Sox last year, it wasn't once or twice 

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30 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Who the fuck cares who he identifies with?  This makes no SENSE CAULFIELD!!!!!!  He doesn't get better or worse for the Sox depending on who he identifies with!!!!  

And this is wrong too, Soria had 16 saves for the Sox last year, it wasn't once or twice 

I don’t recall writing anything about who he identifies with (it was about how fans would perceive him...but whatever.   All season long whenever Herrera blows a save, everyone will mention his two months in Washington and never once the rest of his career in the majors or what team he played for 95% of the time.  Got it!  He will go into the HoF as a National, for sure.

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32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

I don’t recall writing anything about who he identifies with (it was about how fans would perceive him...but whatever.   All season long whenever Herrera blows a save, everyone will mention his two months in Washington and never once the rest of his career in the majors or what team he played for 95% of the time.  Got it!  He will go into the HoF as a National, for sure.

Nobody but you will find the most inane thing to b**** about and act like the entire board will do the same thing.  Nobody fucking cares.  If he is good, good.  If he sucks, he sucks.  There is no OMG HE WAS FROM KC WE ARE CURSED WITH KC GUYS overwhelming feeling from anyone but you and probably greg

 

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It would be interesting to see what kind of contract he commands, he did have surgery and it’s questionable whether or not he will be ready opening day.As a flip candidate, he couldn’t have been much better in KC last year, and the return they received wasn’t eye popping. 

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5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

What team would you identify Herrera with if we acquired him, KC or Washington?  1/2 a season versus an entire career?

Jermaine Dye played 4.5 years with KC and 3.5 years with the Oakland A’s.   He was more identified with a perennially contending Oakland A’s team as a veteran leader than the Braves or Royals at that point in his career.

That literally does not matter at all.

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30 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

It would be interesting to see what kind of contract he commands, he did have surgery and it’s questionable whether or not he will be ready opening day.As a flip candidate, he couldn’t have been much better in KC last year, and the return they received wasn’t eye popping. 

I don’t think flips will ever be lucrative on their face, requires the luck they hit which is probably still worth it. It’s one of the reasons I’ve not been thrilled with Sox player choices on flips (relatively maxed out, older hitters and older pitchers who lost their prospect shine).

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

I don’t recall writing anything about who he identifies with (it was about how fans would perceive him...but whatever.   All season long whenever Herrera blows a save, everyone will mention his two months in Washington and never once the rest of his career in the majors or what team he played for 95% of the time.  Got it!  He will go into the HoF as a National, for sure.

As Kyle said Soria was 16/19 as closer for Sox last year so your argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on. We got a total of 3 young arms for Jake fucking Peters, one of which is a former FRP. It was a good trade whether you choose to accept it or not.

As for Herrera, there is no stigma with acquiring ex. Royals players, this does exist amongst casual fans. Over the years, fans would have been elated to acquire the likes of Hosmer, Gordon, Moustakas, etc., You’re just complaining about things only Caufield would complain about.

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6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

What team would you identify Herrera with if we acquired him, KC or Washington?  1/2 a season versus an entire career?

Jermaine Dye played 4.5 years with KC and 3.5 years with the Oakland A’s.   He was more identified with a perennially contending Oakland A’s team as a veteran leader than the Braves or Royals at that point in his career.

So basically The Sox should never go after a player who a fan might think played for the Royals before?  You honestly think if he did something bad here people would be like HAHAHA THE WHITE SOX SHOULD KNOW BETTER, I THINK OF HIM AS A ROYAL SO OF COURSE HE’D BE BAD FOR THEM.

 

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6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

What team would you identify Herrera with if we acquired him, KC or Washington?  1/2 a season versus an entire career?

Jermaine Dye played 4.5 years with KC and 3.5 years with the Oakland A’s.   He was more identified with a perennially contending Oakland A’s team as a veteran leader than the Braves or Royals at that point in his career.

http://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Take a look at this website. I think you’ll enjoy it. 

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3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Post this again so I can give it a trophy too

Agreed, I want to give it a love. 

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6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Greg and I were referring to him as a closer, which he didn’t end up doing as a member of the White Sox more than once or twice.

It’s okay, if they sign Herrera, you will still be hearing how Greg will refuse to buy MLB Extra Innings or concession items and souvenirs at the ballpark this year.

Without Harper or Machado, the only reason to watch this season is Jimenez and Moncada.  If they were smart, they would realize how much value there is adding a name player that would take the pressure off all those young guys.

That’s what they’re trying to do with Machado & Harper?

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