Sockin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Danny Parkins and Jeff Passan are buddies. Passan used to go on Parkins' show weekly in KC and here. You could tell that Parkins got agitated when Bruce went after him. But it also doesn't help when your MLB "Insider" is spewing shit that MLB FA isn't broken and its the NBA that needs to be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 We haven’t seen anything at all about what type of contract the Phillies are going to offer Harper. Just that unsubstantiated report about $350 million, but it didn’t get picked up nationally. The White Sox have had two headlines in three, now four days, on Machado at ESPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, OmarComing25 said: Another team I'm confused isn't in the bidding is Toronto. Just saw that their current payroll is about $50 million below what it was last year. They are paying Tulo and Martin close to $50M this season to play elsewhere, tho. Edited January 17, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: Random thoughts/observations on yesterday's leaks: The leak that kick-started this whole thing -- Passan's 8 yr offer/Gomez 8/250 -- almost certainly came from Lozano/Machado's camp. That makes sense if Passan's information came directly from Lozano (just 8 yrs without a number), but Gomez's source is a personal connection to Machado (maybe even a close family member). Gomez felt comfortable giving the exact dollar amount because he didn't have to worry about getting his source in trouble under the CBA, which only applies to teams and players/agents. So I think we can trust that Lozano wanted it out there that the Sox offer was for 8 years. The blitzkrieg of 7 year reports that followed would have come from the Sox, obviously, considering who was tweeting those reports. And yet, curiously, none of those guys including Nightengale said $175 million. They all just confirmed a 7 year offer. The $175 million figure came from..........Buster Olney? A guy who presumably has no ties to the White Sox front office. Yes Nightengale came in to verify, but it was Olney that broke the news. Olney cares about his reputation. He's not about to make something up or troll to get the Yankees involved. Someone gave him that information. Could Olney really trust Boras would have that information? No, I don't think so. Boras wouldn't know what information the Sox and Lozano are exchanging. So that leaves the Phillies, who would know if Lozano told them, presumably to get them to make a higher bid. If it's true that this was the Phillies doing, then the relationship between Lozano and the Sox may be just fine (with both being pissed off but not necessarily at each other). Hopefully, then, they are still working towards an amicable deal. This makes no sense though. A. If the White Sox have a legit $250 million bid, getting everyone to believe it's $175 million accomplishes nothing. They still are $75 million in front. And if the bid actually is $175 million, Lozano doesn't want that out there. He's looking for $300 million plus. If there really was someone willing to go near there, you would think they would have had some extensive discussions by now. It's probably either accurate, or what guys who are usually accurate are passing along, and perhaps they are a bit off now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Danny Parkins and Jeff Passan are buddies. Passan used to go on Parkins' show weekly in KC and here. You could tell that Parkins got agitated when Bruce went after him. One of the coolest videos is when Passan testifies at a public meeting of the Shawnee Mission District school board and absolutely eviscerates them...or maybe it was Blue Valley, one of those two in Johnson County. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sockin said: But it also doesn't help when your MLB "Insider" is spewing shit that MLB FA isn't broken and its the NBA that needs to be changed. That was such a bizarre old man argument. Super weird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 hours ago, bschmaranz said: Those are both so absurd though. Why do people think the evil media is sitting in their legion of doom thinking "how can I fuck over the palehose today?" And sticking it to Lozano by helping open up his client's market? That's just madness. There is a lot of East coast bias or just regular media bias that wants to bring the Yankees back into the conversation. Without the Yankees being a top story it hurts ratings. Keep the Yankees involved and you have a lead story even if its fabricated. I don;t think it's true mind you but that is a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: This makes no sense though. A. If the White Sox have a legit $250 million bid, getting everyone to believe it's $175 million accomplishes nothing. They still are $75 million in front. And if the bid actually is $175 million, Lozano doesn't want that out there. He's looking for $300 million plus. If there really was someone willing to go near there, you would think they would have had some extensive discussions by now. It's probably either accurate, or what guys who are usually accurate are passing along, and perhaps they are a bit off now. That's exactly what I'm saying -- that it was likely the Phillies that leaked the $175 mil number, not Lozano or the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: That's exactly what I'm saying -- that it was likely the Phillies that leaked the $175 mil number, not Lozano or the Sox. What does that accomplish for the Phillies tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: That's exactly what I'm saying -- that it was likely the Phillies that leaked the $175 mil number, not Lozano or the Sox. I don't see where it would serve them any purpose. I just think it's either a case of accurate with a smaller number of suitors than hoped, or someone who has a track history of being great source to these guys, suddenly being way off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: What does that accomplish for the Phillies tho? I don't know how those figures help anybody in the process (Sox, Phillies, Lozano). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: What does that accomplish for the Phillies tho? I'm at a weird point where I find it impossible to believe, but fail to see how it accomplishes anything for anyone involved. I was only half kidding about the Cubs conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: What does that accomplish for the Phillies tho? Honestly, I don't think much. Perhaps a signal to Boras on how cheap Machado appears to be, and they can just pivot to him if Boras is being unreasonable with his demands. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSexy23 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Ottavino going to the yanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Perfect Vision said: Honestly, I don't think much. Perhaps a signal to Boras on how cheap Machado appears to be, and they can just pivot to him if Boras is being unreasonable with his demands. I think that makes sense in that it would only really help someone negotiating with Harper to show that the price of the other coveted FA comp in his class is getting offered much less than he's looking for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The $175 million has to be the initial offer. Manny's camp wants $325. Both parties will give in a bit and meet about halfway. The gap between the initial offer and what Manny was looking for are unprecedented causing all the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Perfect Vision said: Honestly, I don't think much. Perhaps a signal to Boras on how cheap Machado appears to be, and they can just pivot to him if Boras is being unreasonable with his demands. If Machado's price is $175 milliion, that's a little more than half what many of us thought it would take. You would think the Phillies could go for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: Honestly, I don't think much. Perhaps a signal to Boras on how cheap Machado appears to be, and they can just pivot to him if Boras is being unreasonable with his demands. Suppose that could make some sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Peacock Wrestler said: The $175 million has to be the initial offer. Manny's camp wants $325. Both parties will give in a bit and meet about halfway. The gap between the initial offer and what Manny was looking for are unprecedented causing all the confusion. That maybe eventually happen, but don’t think we’re there yet or he’d be a Chicago White Sox at 8/$250M already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Alright Yankees just added more payroll in Ottavino so they have to finally, completely, be out of it now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Do we think the Ottavino signing will impact the Yankees trying to sign Machado at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sockin said: Alright Yankees just added more payroll in Ottavino so they have to finally, completely, be out of it now. Doesn't matter, we'll still hear them mentioned 1000 times before this bad boy is over. Edited January 17, 2019 by mqr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sockin said: Alright Yankees just added more payroll in Ottavino so they have to finally, completely, be out of it now. Yeah it seems like the only way they could be in is if they shipped a decent prospect or two along with Jacoby Ellsbury's full contract to like KC or Detroit or somewhere where his deal would have no impact on him being there. Edited January 17, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, KnightsOnMintSt said: Do we think the Ottavino signing will impact the Yankees trying to sign Machado at all? I don't think it makes a difference. They were out before and they're out now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: I don’t know if I missed it on here somehow, but I just got an At-Bat notification that the Phillies dream scenario is Harper and Trout. Does that mean they’re getting away from Machado...? That's also a "sources" thing. No one in Phillies front office can talk about Trout because it would be considered tampering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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