Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, OmarComing25 said: https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11579&position=OF#battedball He had a lower ground ball rate in 2018 and 2015 and the exact same rate in 2017. You said Gb/Fb, his Gb/Fb rate was 0.95 in 2016 and that was the lowest of his career yet it was his lowest HR year at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: Why would we keep our offer the same if we're the only bidders? That doesn't make sense It is a terrible way to start a relationship and it could encourage him to go elsewhere for less money. This is pretty much the textbook of how the Heat lose DWade to the Bulls (even though the deal was a flop for the Bulls). Playing dirty with players before they even sign isn't a great way to get free agents to come play for you, especially when you aren't the prime franchise. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It is a terrible way to start a relationship and it could encourage him to go elsewhere for less money. This is pretty much the textbook of how the Heat lose DWade to the Bulls (even though the deal was a flop for the Bulls). Playing dirty with players before they even sign isn't a great way to get free agents to come play for you, especially when you aren't the prime franchise. I get it, and I'm assuming they would only incrementally decrease the amount to somewhat avoid that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: You said Gb/Fb, his Gb/Fb rate was 0.95 in 2016 and that was the lowest of his career yet it was his lowest HR year at the same time. He also carried a much higher soft contact %. It's probably an outlier, but I'm more comfortable saying that something was off about Harper's meh year than I am with Machado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, whitesoxwinner said: I get it, and I'm assuming they would only incrementally decrease the amount to somewhat avoid that If they did anything, it would be to put a deadline on an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: Why would we keep our offer the same if we're the only bidders? That doesn't make sense Because you never know if you are the only bidder or if a team jumps in last minute and becomes a bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, whitesoxwinner said: I get it, and I'm assuming they would only incrementally decrease the amount to somewhat avoid that They wont lower their "formal" offer at all. That isnt how these type of negotiations work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: You said Gb/Fb, his Gb/Fb rate was 0.95 in 2016 and that was the lowest of his career yet it was his lowest HR year at the same time. I didn't say anything, that was someone else. But regardless, Harper didn't get unlucky in 2016, he made a lot less hard contact that year. His xwOBA pretty much matched his wOBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Orlando said: all the philly fans are commenting pretty much saying this guy is nuts and never right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Orlando said: Lol why is this bad for the White Sox? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Lol here is the “person outside of the org” who thinks the Sox have done well even if they miss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: Why would we keep our offer the same if we're the only bidders? That doesn't make sense Because you hopefully will have a 7+ year relationship with him when it’s all done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Orlando said: Isn't that, like, exactly what everybody has thought for a month now? Why is that not good for the Sox? Dumb tweet Edited January 29, 2019 by mqr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: Why would we keep our offer the same if we're the only bidders? That doesn't make sense It makes a lot of sense given the Sox could never truly know if they are the only bidders. The Sox aren't lowering their offer to Manny. If teams drop out for whatever reason, it just means Manny will simply accept the Sox offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I wouldn't be surprised if nobody has made a "formal" offer for harper yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Joe O, god love him, can be an airhead sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Orlando said: Lol here is the “person outside of the org” who thinks the Sox have done well even if they miss There is something to be said about actually trying to improve your team in this day and age, but it's separate from success/failure in acquiring the guy or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Orlando said: Lol here is the “person outside of the org” who thinks the Sox have done well even if they miss That's a pretty uncharitable reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I don't know, I always thought if you had a team that lost 100 games, trying to improve would be implied, not praised. Everyone gets a trophy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, Dick Allen said: I don't know, I always thought if you had a team that lost 100 games, trying to improve would be implied, not praised. Everyone gets a trophy. Not since winning stopped being the driving force of the bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they did anything, it would be to put a deadline on an offer. that'd probably be smarter but I doubt Lazaro would adhere to it and thus I dont think we would either. At least I would hope not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, whitesoxwinner said: that'd probably be smarter but I doubt Lazaro would adhere to it and thus I dont think we would either. At least I would hope not The only deadline that is believable is one associated with the start of ST. If the White Sox set a 48 hour deadline and then Lozano came back 7 days later to accept their earlier offer, everyone knows the White Sox would take it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: that'd probably be smarter but I doubt Lazaro would adhere to it and thus I dont think we would either. At least I would hope not They wouldn't respond to dropping bids well either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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