Jose Abreu Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, daa84 said: Absolutely. This is the smart answer, and may be actually correct. Id stomach this much more if we just said “ we don’t think he’s that good.” The stupid answer is saying “well we tried really hard and I’m proud of us” Another big difference is the GM who gave that answer is about to sign Harper for like 10/325 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, EvilJester99 said: The more and more I read Sox comments the more and more pissed off I am getting.. I need some beer. The emotional range I'm going through is swinging between shock, heartbreak, uncontrolled anger, despair...and back again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: Agreed. I'm just not as upset as others because I look at the roster and see 90-95 losses. Machado won't make or break this roster. It's more of a missed opportunity for Hahn and KW to build some equity with the fanbase but after Moncada, Gio, Kopech and some of the other more recent setbacks in the minors including Hansen I think we should still be looking to stripping this roster further for longterm assets. In two years when all the kids are up that is the times to asses needs and start signing guys. This has always been my perspective. My worry with Machado is as soon as you bring him in you can talk about continuing to be patient but we all know what will happen. I just don't see a path with what we currently have that would have led to anything sustainable. With Manny Machado you're right, this is still an 85-90 loss team in 2019. HOWEVER...throw Cease, Kopech, and another year of development into that starting rotation, have some growth out of the bullpen, find a 1b, and have Machado surrounded by Eloy and others at the center of that lineup - you've got a team that's a threat in 2020, and they're set up to be monsters in the following years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, EvilJester99 said: Ok? What does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 If the contract could have reached 350 then there was probably a swell opt. That is a good offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNamesRod Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The only reason I think the sox have a chance at bryce is that this deal offered to machado was probably a swellopt structured deal. Boras created the swellopt so he may be willing to entertain a similar deal to what was offered to manny. If they offer a deal that could swell to 350 MM then boras has to consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Even worse. Offering 100 million in incentives instead of 50 in guaranteed. I bet most of the incentives were likely unattainable. Like winning MVP, back to back WS MVPs. Hustling to first every at bat including strikeouts, etc. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, soxfan2014 said: So they offered a higher AAV...should have just matched the Padres offer. No shit LMAO, they would've wound up paying less if he ends up playing mvp caliber 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Nuff said... ”But Machado, as believed all along, wanted the $300M guarantee.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: It is the last time anyone will take their chances of actually signing a premium free agent seriously. KW said they can't afford $30 million a year if they want to build a championship roster. He didn't say they can't afford 30 mil per year. If you believe their offer it was more than 30 mil per year. What he said was they weren't going to 300 million total. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, MyNamesRod said: The only reason I think the sox have a chance at bryce is that this deal offered to machado was probably a swellopt structured deal. Boras created the swellopt so he may be willing to entertain a similar deal to what was offered to manny. If they offer a deal that could swell to 350 MM then boras has to consider it. Not if it is 250 million guaranteed. Get to 300, then swell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHatesShe Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Do any of you know where I could sell a slightly used special ordered Machado white sox jersey? I might have jumped the gun a little bit... I mean, asking for a friend? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Kiebs13 said: maybe , possibly, still in on harper then? No way. Unless theyre really dumb enough to try the same failed proposal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: The emotional range I'm going through is swinging between shock, heartbreak, uncontrolled anger, despair...and back again I'm stuck in sarcastic millennial "yup that's exactly what I thought about them" mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, MyNamesRod said: The only reason I think the sox have a chance at bryce is that this deal offered to machado was probably a swellopt structured deal. Boras created the swellopt so he may be willing to entertain a similar deal to what was offered to manny. If they offer a deal that could swell to 350 MM then boras has to consider it. The White Sox wouldn't guarantee $300 million. You can offer Harper a contract where if he's Babe Ruth, he will get $1 Billion the next 10 years, but if they don't guarantee more than $300 million, there is no chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, EvilJester99 said: The more and more I read Sox comments the more and more pissed off I am getting.. I need some beer. Yep, they flat out blew the negotiations. They thought Phillies were their only competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNamesRod Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said: Not if it is 250 million guaranteed. Get to 300, then swell. Yeah, realistically, they'd have to guarantee 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Orlando said: If the contract could have reached 350 then there was probably a swell opt. That is a good offer. But its not guaranteed money! Why not offer 300 and possibly make it 350 then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Now the Sox get clowned by The Score. Well deserved... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ptatc said: He didn't say they can't afford 30 mil per year. If you believe their offer it was more than 30 mil per year. What he said was they weren't going to 300 million total. Over 10 years pencils out to $30 million a year. They didn't want to guarantee that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Orlando said: If the contract could have reached 350 then there was probably a swell opt. That is a good offer. It's still not better than 300 guaranteed. I do not give one single fuck if it was a "good" offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I don't know the fact that the White Sox still want their contracts to be "creative" when they have no money committed is a little ridiculous in my view. If they're so worried about signing young players in 6 years then front load the damn contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSouthsider2 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said: Nah, he said this apparently. That is what he said... "ISN'T". What he MEANT, though, is, "yeah baby, we will lie to you again about going for premium talent and we will come up short again", but in the mean time, please buy tickets and jerseys and hot dogs at the park so Jerry can pocket MORE money for his grand kids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 This sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Waffleson Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just a shame we couldnt match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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