SCCWS Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Eminor3rd said: No, everyone’s been paying to watch the team lose on purpose under the specific understanding that it was part of a process where they’d invest when they needed to invest when the right opportunities arrived. They just proved they aren’t really going to do that. They may say they’ll “keep trying next time,” but there will never again be a free agent this risk-free, with a more perfect fit on the roster, in a historically depressed market, where the only team you have outbid is the FUCKING PADRES. The small market Padres. The Sox have $15 million dollars committed to contracts NEXT season. The Padres just beat the White Sox with a bid that doesn’t even make Machado the highest paid total contract OR average AV. When Harper signs, he won’t even be the highest contract in his own damn class. This, unfortunately, isn’t just about Machado. This is the best evidence we’ve ever seen that this regime will never sign a top free agent. But really aren't the White Sox from an attendance and payroll standpoint are also a small market team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, almagest said: I have a huge backlog of video games I'll be working through! I don't think I'll be buying The Show this year 😒 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, SCCWS said: But really aren't the White Sox from an attendance and payroll standpoint are also a small market team? Yeah because they have put a shit product on the field for a decade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I'm only up to page 804 of this collective rant, but I'd like to interject that it seems unfair to fault Hahn or K. W. for this failure. If ownership told them that they would not go beyond a certain level, that pretty much tied their hands. It's hard to imagine that they will now turn their attention to Harper, who is seeking even more money. Although it is possible that they are prepared to spend more on him, than they were on Machado. I seriously doubt it, as I'm sure do most of you. I do not want to watch Alonso and Jay taking at bats away from youngsters, who may have a place on this team, going forward, or could develop into useful trade chips. I would much prefer to see what we have in Palka and even Engel, than watch two guys who have no future with this team. I hope that they will be able to remove those guys from the roster, even if they have to practically give them away and eat the contracts. If not, the front office will have done precisely what they vowed not to do, ie; acquire short term fixes, which do not at all fit the "long term" plan. The one thing that seems a little inconsistent to me is the first response from K. W., in which he expressed such surprise, as though he wasn't given a chance to top the Padres' bid. Then, in the next breadth, he says that they just couldn't go 10 years and $300 Million. So, which is it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Rick Hahn Sox fans will be happy when Machado hits a walk off in July and won't care that he signed in March. We want our relationship to be positive and gain the fans trust again. We've been planning for this free agency for a few years. Over the next few weeks we have several moves in mind. Next few weeks we’ll be scraping up the bottom of the FA heap to give you more forgettable players. Edited February 19, 2019 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I have a small sliver of hope that the Sox will go all-in on Harper to save face from this disaster but that probably won't happen with the buffoons running things for the Sox. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Waffleson Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Whitesox27 said: I have a small sliver of hope that the Sox will go all-in on Harper to save face from this disaster but that probably won't happen with the buffoons running things for the Sox. More positive than my wife atleast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, heirdog said: I’m moving to SD to watch Machado and Tatis Jr dammit! I live here, and I don't want to watch a Padre game now...it'll sting too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) They better not acquire more free agents, of the type that are available. They already have too many, with the aforementioned Jay and Alonso. There aren't any other young free agents, that make sense, as far as I can tell. Edited February 19, 2019 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerfieldsixers Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 did anyone have page 792 for the breaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lillian said: I'm only up to page 804 of this collective rant, but I'd like to interject that it seems unfair to fault Hahn or K. W. for this failure. If ownership told them that they would not go beyond a certain level, that pretty much tied their hands. It's hard to imagine that they will now turn their attention to Harper, who is seeking even more money. Although it is possible that they are prepared to spend more on him, than they were on Machado. I seriously doubt it, as I'm sure do most of you. I do not want to watch Alonso and Jay taking at bats away from youngsters, who may have a place on this team, going forward, or could develop into useful trade chips. I would much prefer to see what we have in Palka and even Engel, than watch two guys who have no future with this team. I hope that they will be able to remove those guys from the roster, even if they have to practically give them away and eat the contracts. If not, the front office will have done precisely what they vowed not to do, ie; acquire short term fixes, which do not at all fit the "long term" plan. The one thing that seems a little inconsistent to me is the first response from K. W., in which he expressed such surprise, as though he wasn't given a chance to top the Padres' bid. Then, in the next breadth, he says that they just couldn't go 10 years and $300 Million. So, which is it? Both. He was surprised Machado didn’t accept their inferior deal.......and they weren’t going to 300/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Lillian said: I'm only up to page 804 of this collective rant, but I'd like to interject that it seems unfair to fault Hahn or K. W. for this failure. If ownership told them that they would not go beyond a certain level, that pretty much tied their hands. It's hard to imagine that they will now turn their attention to Harper, who is seeking even more money. Although it is possible that they are prepared to spend more on him, than they were on Machado. I seriously doubt it, as I'm sure do most of you. I do not want to watch Alonso and Jay taking at bats away from youngsters, who may have a place on this team, going forward, or could develop into useful trade chips. I would much prefer to see what we have in Palka and even Engel, than watch two guys who have no future with this team. I hope that they will be able to remove those guys from the roster, even if they have to practically give them away and eat the contracts. If not, the front office will have done precisely what they vowed not to do, ie; acquire short term fixes, which do not at all fit the "long term" plan. The one thing that seems a little inconsistent to me is the first response from K. W., in which he expressed such surprise, as though he wasn't given a chance to top the Padres' bid. Then, in the next breadth, he says that they just couldn't go 10 years and $300 Million. So, which is it? As general manager, it is absolutely Rick Hahn's job to identify targets and make things palatable to ownership. How did people talk ownership into deals like Melky Cabrera when they were already at their supposed payroll limit? Rick Hahn blew $40 million on crap this offseason and maybe made the team a game or two better in the process, and that's not counting offering Abreu arbitration. If ownership wouldn't go beyond $250, then it is Rick Hahn's job to sit down and say "Here's the plan" and if ownership gives him difficulty he responds "ok then I will free up an extra $15 million here by playing Davidson at 1b and letting Abreu walk, I'll sign Shields instead of Nova, I'll run with a cheaper closer, there's your $50 million right there". Ownership mighta been jerks, but this is directly at Rick Hahn's doorstep, #1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheBlackSox8 said: I live here, and I don't want to watch a Padre game now...it'll sting too much. I hope the Padres fail horribly and both guys are terrible. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 43 minutes ago, Peacock Wrestler said: This also had the possibility of gaining some Cubs fans after the horrible offseason they had. Not saying we want everybody to jump ship, but this had the potential to gain some more casual fans and increase the teams presence in the city. Huh??? Who wants those type of fans? They are the ones who arrive in the 2nd inning, need a scorecard to know who is on the home team and leave to beat the traffic in the 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Waffleson Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: They probably feel the same as us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Jose Abreu said: Cool. Go offer the moon for Harper, Jerry. But you won’t because no player is worth 300m are they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi Town Sox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, SCCWS said: Huh??? Who wants those type of fans? They are the ones who arrive in the 2nd inning, need a scorecard to know who is on the home team and leave to beat the traffic in the 8th. Not ideal but I'll take some. The last thing we want is to get any more irrelevant than they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Jerry wont give a shit. I hope he knows how angry the fan base is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: As general manager, it is absolutely Rick Hahn's job to identify targets and make things palatable to ownership. How did people talk ownership into deals like Melky Cabrera when they were already at their supposed payroll limit? Rick Hahn blew $40 million on crap this offseason and maybe made the team a game or two better in the process, and that's not counting offering Abreu arbitration. If ownership wouldn't go beyond $250, then it is Rick Hahn's job to sit down and say "Here's the plan" and if ownership gives him difficulty he responds "ok then I will free up an extra $15 million here by playing Davidson at 1b and letting Abreu walk, I'll sign Shields instead of Nova, I'll run with a cheaper closer, there's your $50 million right there". Ownership mighta been jerks, but this is directly at Rick Hahn's doorstep, #1. How can you be so confident that such arguments were not presented? Maybe ownership just wouldn't agree to give Machado $300 Million. Moreover, I understood that J. R. had taken over the negotiating responsibility, in the Machado case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, SCCWS said: Huh??? Who wants those type of fans? They are the ones who arrive in the 2nd inning, need a scorecard to know who is on the home team and leave to beat the traffic in the 8th. They serve a purpose. More casual fans means greater attendance means greater revenue means more spending to improve the team and fan experience. Then again, JR doesn't seem interested in that sort of spending, so the hell with those sorts, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, fathom said: I hope the Padres fail horribly and both guys are terrible. I can’t fault the Padres or Tatis/Machado. I get their success doesn’t reflect well on us, but it’s not their fault Hahn is an idiot and JR is cheap. Id rather hope Eloy does that mystical thing prospects do across the league every season......succeed immediately. Edited February 19, 2019 by Flash Tizzle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, SCCWS said: Huh??? Who wants those type of fans? They are the ones who arrive in the 2nd inning, need a scorecard to know who is on the home team and leave to beat the traffic in the 8th. And allow you to spend more on player payroll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Manny, is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Lillian said: How can you be so confident that such arguments were not presented? Maybe ownership just wouldn't agree to give Machado $300 Million. Moreover, I understood that J. R. had taken over the negotiating responsibility, in the Machado case. Well he lost to fucking SAN DIEGO. The team we all heard was buried in debt and couldn't reasonably sign a top tier free agent. The team that had never had a payroll close to what the Sox had. Maybe sit this next one out, Jerry. Just sign the god damn Harper contract when it comes across your desk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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