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16 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

If this isn't wrapped up by SoxFest, I wonder how annoyed Hahn is going to be by all the Machado questions.

I hope he gets a ton of them too!

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13 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said:

So then everyone who did amphetamines before the steroid era should be out as well? 

Based on His stance, anyone who stole signs should be banned too

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4 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

That in no way was directed at the Big Hurt. I have no clue why you would single him out of that statement. Frank's the whole reason I am a Sox fan as well, and I fully believe his stance that he was clean. But it is extremely naive to think that players of Bonds caliber were the only ones taking enhancements. Just because the stats were not as good, doesn't mean it happened. Look at some of the shitty players that get busted for them now.

Eh, I don't think I phrased it well. I wasn't trying to doubt your stance on the Hurt. My main point is that he went through a decline at the end of his career, which other players avoided by taking 'roids. Frank should be in the Hall, they shouldn't. That's pretty much my view on it.

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26 minutes ago, The Sir said:

Disagree. The Hall should be about great baseball. Not sure who the explicit Klansmen were, but while guys like Anson, Cobb and others had terrible beliefs and, in many cases, were terrible citizens in myriad ways, they were great baseball players.

The group I want to exclude from the Hall is the one who injected themselves with all sorts of junk to produce the ridiculously fraudulent stat lines of the late 90s, early 00s. Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, ARod, Ortiz, the earlier Manny, Sheffield, so on.

It might be again unpopular, but so far I've gotten my way on this one.

There’s always been cheating. It’s only been dictated by the technology available.

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2 hours ago, hi8is said:

Just pretend Manny Machado doesn’t exist and listen to this...

 

Can't say I expected to find a For King & Country music video up in here, but I'll take it! 😂 

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20 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said:

So then everyone who did amphetamines before the steroid era should be out as well? 

I personally don’t think that’s quite the same as the steroids & HGH that created super humans that broke all records.  And did any of those guys get caught for cheating?

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1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said:

Here's a question since we're all bored...who is more deserving of being in the HOF: Buehrle or Konerko?

Buehrle.

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9 minutes ago, GenericUserName said:

Has anyone said the obligatory "I feel like this is going to end tomorrow" yet tonight?

Because if not, I'll say it.

I feel like this is going to end tomorrow. 

I’m not expecting anything until Friday at the earliest unfortunately.

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43 minutes ago, DH in the NL said:

Has anyone been to the fan questions to management part of Soxfest? I was wondering how that goes about? Do you have to be selected to participate? Is it free with admission? How many people are allowed to participate? Etc.

Free, and you just line up at the microphone. Last year I asked Hahn if my Rick Hahn shirt was a GREAT shirt or THE GREATEST shirt he's ever seen. And I recently tweeted out the video I took of me asking him if he anticipates blowing past the fabled $68M record contract next year (this offseason), where he revealed that they had offered 9-figure contracts in the recent past. I don't think I had posted the video anywhere last year, but then a Phillies or Yankee fan on twitter was talking shit recently about how the White Sox have never offered a contract over $100M and Hahn has never said as much, and lucky for me, I had EXACT video waiting for him. :)

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29 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I'd almost be willing to put Bonds, Sosa, ARod, Clemens, etc. in the Hall if baseball acknowledged the Steroid Era for what it was. If they dedicated a wing or whatever and stuck all these guys in there I think that would be acceptable. One giant asterisk. One way to look at it is - yes, they cheated - but they were the best in an era of baseball were a vast majority of the league was also cheating. I don't think they have any business being next to guys like Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, etc., but maybe acknowledge that that was one hell of an entertaining era (as much as I dislike those guys for cheating). 

Nope. Here is the reason: you are trying to say they were great using their numbers, but their numbers are inflated by PED's. If you wanna say "they were HOF'ers before they took the PED's", nope. Plenty of guys like Mattingly, Murphy, Clark, and Hersheiser put up HOF caliber numbers for an extended period. The guys you mentioned were not that much different without their PED extension.

Take Clemons. His first 2 years in Boston were meh. His next 7 were clearly otherwordly. His next 4 were not good by any definition, and Boston let him walking feeling he was washed up. Heck, when the White Sox signed Jaime Navarro over Roger Clemons, it was a consensus opinion that it was a better signing than giving that money to a washed up Clemons. Clemons started taking PED's, and the next 9 years were otherworldly. After his body had the usual steroid breakdown (see Bonds and McGuire and their late career injuries) which I am using as proof of his use of PED's, his last 2 years were meh just like his first 2. So, what is your argument? Clemons belongs because his 9 year steroid run makes him an ATG after 7 great years and 6 meh to bad years? That's BS. Without that 9 year PED enhanced period, how was he really much better than Hersheiser?

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1 hour ago, Jose Abreu said:

It would also be great if they could somehow get rid of the early 20th century Klansmen who are in there

LOL. The HOF is about your performance on the field. It has nothing to do with who you were as a person.

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Just now, YouGottaBeBleepingMe said:

Nope. Here is the reason: you are trying to say they were great using their numbers, but their numbers are inflated by PED's. If you wanna say "they were HOF'ers before they took the PED's", nope. Plenty of guys like Mattingly, Murphy, Clark, and Hersheiser put up HOF caliber numbers for an extended period. The guys you mentioned were not that much different without their PED extension.

Take Clemons. His first 2 years in Boston were meh. His next 7 were clearly otherwordly. His next 4 were not good by any definition, and Boston let him walking feeling he was washed up. Heck, when the White Sox signed Jaime Navarro over Roger Clemons, it was a consensus opinion that it was a better signing than giving that money to a washed up Clemons. Clemons started taking PED's, and the next 9 years were otherworldly. After his body had the usual steroid breakdown (see Bonds and McGuire and their late career injuries) which I am using as proof of his use of PED's, his last 2 years were meh just like his first 2. So, what is your argument? Clemons belongs because his 9 year steroid run makes him an ATG after 7 great years and 6 meh to bad years? That's BS. Without that 9 year PED enhanced period, how was he really much better than Hersheiser?

Who's this Clemons guy?  He sounds swell.

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3 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

Free, and you just line up at the microphone. Last year I asked Hahn if my Rick Hahn shirt was a GREAT shirt or THE GREATEST shirt he's ever seen. And I recently tweeted out the video I took of me asking him if he anticipates blowing past the fabled $68M record contract next year (this offseason), where he revealed that they had offered 9-figure contracts in the recent past. I don't think I had posted the video anywhere last year, but then a Phillies or Yankee fan on twitter was talking shit recently about how the White Sox have never offered a contract over $100M and Hahn has never said as much, and lucky for me, I had EXACT video waiting for him. :)

I’d assume “Hahn speak” is on full blast at one of these things? I’d love to ask a question, but would hate to get a typical Hahn answer. 

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Hahn has the rare ability to make you feel good about asking your question and the answer sounds eloquent and satisfying.  It isn’t until about a week later that you realize you were duped by well-crafted platitudes.

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3 minutes ago, heirdog said:

Hahn has the rare ability to make you feel good about asking your question and the answer sounds eloquent and satisfying.  It isn’t until about a week later that you realize you were duped by well-crafted platitudes.

If this GMing thing doesn't work out, he'd make a great politician. He can talk to you for an hour without really telling you anything at all. 

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14 minutes ago, Princess Dye said:

Burger invites a challenge, apparently.....

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I was hoping he'd be like "fuck that, Machado ain't shit!"

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25 minutes ago, GenericUserName said:

If this GMing thing doesn't work out, he'd make a great politician. He can talk to you for an hour without really telling you anything at all. 

Of course, that's PRECISELY why many celebrities are entering the political arena, because their money and "authenticity" to tell it like it is creates an illusion that they're actually siding with the "everyman/woman" in society.  It's a neat trick.  Hahn most assuredly belongs in the world of corporate boardrooms, charity functions and the halls of Congress than pounding the pavement and kissing babies.

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32 minutes ago, heirdog said:

Hahn has the rare ability to make you feel good about asking your question and the answer sounds eloquent and satisfying.  It isn’t until about a week later that you realize you were duped by well-crafted platitudes.

A full week?  C'mon!  You should be used to that by now, it's not 2013 anymore.

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8 hours ago, jenksycat said:

My sources have told me the latest offer to Manny is a non-roster invite to spring training and $100 Portillo's gift card.

i'd spend all $100 on those croissant chicken sandwiches

 

well maybe some shakes too

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2 hours ago, The Sir said:

Disagree. The Hall should be about great baseball. Not sure who the explicit Klansmen were, but while guys like Anson, Cobb and others had terrible beliefs and, in many cases, were terrible citizens in myriad ways, they were great baseball players.

The group I want to exclude from the Hall is the one who injected themselves with all sorts of junk to produce the ridiculously fraudulent stat lines of the late 90s, early 00s. Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, ARod, Ortiz, the earlier Manny, Sheffield, so on.

It might be again unpopular, but so far I've gotten my way on this one.

Pete Rose falls in this category as well. Anyone who bet on games he played and managed in doesn't belong in the HOF. He changed games for monetary benefits, not always his own.

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1 hour ago, bschmaranz said:

Who's this Clemons guy?  He sounds swell.

Used to play sax in the E street band. His nephew does now.

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