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Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

If I had to guess, there are several sets of leaks here and each with a different origin.  The rumored offer of 7/$210M (or whatever it was) seems like it probably was our first, formal offer.  That’s actually a somewhat realistic opening offer if Machado’s original ask was in the $350M to $400M range.  And it wasn’t until Passan/Gomez said the Sox had offered 8/$250M that is was ever really disputed.  My guess is the Sox let that one out of the bag once they were prepared to make their next offer (one Passan/Gomez alluded to) to create some misdirection for the Phillies.

Regarding the 8/$250M offer, I truly believe this is legit but was not made in writing and is therefore not a former offer.  My guess is Lozano leaked this to put some heat on the Phillies.  It should be clear as day that the leaks that came out shortly thereafter from Bob, Bruce, etc. debunking the rumor came out of the White Sox camp.  Merkin being part of the posse is proof of that.

All that being said, I think these 7/$175M rumors are new beast.  The Sox had already put it out there that a 7/$210M offer had been made.  There was value in having Philadelphia believe that’s where they were currently sitting.  Moving the the number down to $175M (and a $25M AAV) doesn’t really benefit us at that point and quite frankly makes it easy to question its validity since it’s so ridiculous.  Therefore, I can only think of two parties who could be responsible for these leaks.  IMO, it either has to be the Phillies (in an attempt to convince Harper’s camp that Machado is a much more affordable option) or Boras (in an attempt to embarrass Lozano).  I just don’t see anything else that adds up.

My money is on Boras. I think this whole process is becoming a very serious staredown between him and Lozano. I think Boras will win but Lozano keeping the Manny race alive is probably annoying the hell out of Boras.

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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If I had to guess, there are several sets of leaks here and each with a different origin.  The rumored offer of 7/$210M (or whatever it was) seems like it probably was our first, formal offer.  That’s actually a somewhat realistic opening offer if Machado’s original ask was in the $350M to $400M range.  And it wasn’t until Passan/Gomez said the Sox had offered 8/$250M that is was ever really disputed.  My guess is the Sox let that one out of the bag once they were prepared to make their next offer (one Passan/Gomez alluded to) to create some misdirection for the Phillies.

Regarding the 8/$250M offer, I truly believe this is legit but was not made in writing and is therefore not a former offer.  My guess is Lozano leaked this to put some heat on the Phillies.  It should be clear as day that the leaks that came out shortly thereafter from Bob, Bruce, etc. debunking the rumor came out of the White Sox camp.  Merkin being part of the posse is proof of that.

All that being said, I think these 7/$175M rumors are new beast.  The Sox had already put it out there that a 7/$210M offer had been made.  There was value in having Philadelphia believe that’s where they were currently sitting.  Moving the the number down to $175M (and a $25M AAV) doesn’t really benefit us at that point and quite frankly makes it easy to question its validity since it’s so ridiculous.  Therefore, I can only think of two parties who could be responsible for these leaks.  IMO, it either has to be the Phillies (in an attempt to convince Harper’s camp that Machado is a much more affordable option) or Boras (in an attempt to embarrass Lozano).  I just don’t see anything else that adds up.

There are three more less feasible but possible options. Lozano leaked 7/175 to invite other teams in and the Sox got pissed so he refuted them. The second is the Sox were upset that the 8/250 leaks came out so in an attempt to stick it to Lozano release 7/175 number. The third is the media really doesn’t like the white Sox and want to keep the “Sox are cheap” narrative so they fabricated it.

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6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If I had to guess, there are several sets of leaks here and each with a different origin.  The rumored offer of 7/$210M (or whatever it was) seems like it probably was our first, formal offer.  That’s actually a somewhat realistic opening offer if Machado’s original ask was in the $350M to $400M range.  And it wasn’t until Passan/Gomez said the Sox had offered 8/$250M that is was ever really disputed.  My guess is the Sox let that one out of the bag once they were prepared to make their next offer (one Passan/Gomez alluded to) to create some misdirection for the Phillies.

Regarding the 8/$250M offer, I truly believe this is legit but was not made in writing and is therefore not a former offer.  My guess is Lozano leaked this to put some heat on the Phillies.  It should be clear as day that the leaks that came out shortly thereafter from Bob, Bruce, etc. debunking the rumor came out of the White Sox camp.  Merkin being part of the posse is proof of that.

All that being said, I think these 7/$175M rumors are new beast.  The Sox had already put it out there that a 7/$210M offer had been made.  There was value in having Philadelphia believe that’s where they were currently sitting.  Moving the the number down to $175M (and a $25M AAV) doesn’t really benefit us at that point and quite frankly makes it easy to question its validity since it’s so ridiculous.  Therefore, I can only think of two parties who could be responsible for these leaks.  IMO, it either has to be the Phillies (in an attempt to convince Harper’s camp that Machado is a much more affordable option) or Boras (in an attempt to embarrass Lozano).  I just don’t see anything else that adds up.

That analysis seems quite plausible. Thank you for the thoughtful insight.

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6 minutes ago, Orlando said:

There are three more less feasible but possible options. Lozano leaked 7/175 to invite other teams in and the Sox got pissed so he refuted them. The second is the Sox were upset that the 8/250 leaks came out so in an attempt to stick it to Lozano release 7/175 number. The third is the media really doesn’t like the white Sox and want to keep the “Sox are cheap” narrative so they fabricated it.

Those are both so absurd though.  Why do people think the evil media is sitting in their legion of doom thinking "how can I fuck over the palehose today?"  And sticking it to Lozano by helping open up his client's market?  That's just madness.

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9 minutes ago, Orlando said:

There are three more less feasible but possible options. Lozano leaked 7/175 to invite other teams in and the Sox got pissed so he refuted them. The second is the Sox were upset that the 8/250 leaks came out so in an attempt to stick it to Lozano release 7/175 number. The third is the media really doesn’t like the white Sox and want to keep the “Sox are cheap” narrative so they fabricated it.

Doubt that is an option. What good would it do to the Sox? Us leaking a lower offer is only going to make other teams who thought he was not affordable think that maybe he is and they could start reaching out.

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12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If I had to guess, there are several sets of leaks here and each with a different origin.  The rumored offer of 7/$210M (or whatever it was) seems like it probably was our first, formal offer.  That’s actually a somewhat realistic opening offer if Machado’s original ask was in the $350M to $400M range.  And it wasn’t until Passan/Gomez said the Sox had offered 8/$250M that is was ever really disputed.  My guess is the Sox let that one out of the bag once they were prepared to make their next offer (one Passan/Gomez alluded to) to create some misdirection for the Phillies.

Regarding the 8/$250M offer, I truly believe this is legit but was not made in writing and is therefore not a former offer.  My guess is Lozano leaked this to put some heat on the Phillies.  It should be clear as day that the leaks that came out shortly thereafter from Bob, Bruce, etc. debunking the rumor came out of the White Sox camp.  Merkin being part of the posse is proof of that.

All that being said, I think these 7/$175M rumors are new beast.  The Sox had already put it out there that a 7/$210M offer had been made.  There was value in having Philadelphia believe that’s where they were currently sitting.  Moving the the number down to $175M (and a $25M AAV) doesn’t really benefit us at that point and quite frankly makes it easy to question its validity since it’s so ridiculous.  Therefore, I can only think of two parties who could be responsible for these leaks.  IMO, it either has to be the Phillies (in an attempt to convince Harper’s camp that Machado is a much more affordable option) or Boras (in an attempt to embarrass Lozano).  I just don’t see anything else that adds up.

Good analysis. What I've always wondered is how does somebody like Boras leak info about the Manny/White Sox negotiations? If Boras calls up Buster Olney to start the leak, does Buster really just run with it and assume Boras is telling the truth when he's not even involved in the negotiations?

Same with the Phillies. Why would any reporter believe their leak when the information is about the White Sox and Manny?

Is the answer as simple as, "well, reporters crave information and badly want to be the one to break news these days that they will believe anything."?

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16 minutes ago, Orlando said:

There are three more less feasible but possible options. Lozano leaked 7/175 to invite other teams in and the Sox got pissed so he refuted them. The second is the Sox were upset that the 8/250 leaks came out so in an attempt to stick it to Lozano release 7/175 number. The third is the media really doesn’t like the white Sox and want to keep the “Sox are cheap” narrative so they fabricated it.

When you are looking for $300 million +, the last thing you are going to do is broadcast the team that supposedly has the lead has offered not too much more than half of what you want.

 

I just think there is misinformation both ways, and a lot more of it than there used to be. Some sources which have seemingly been good for years, might not be good now. Some new ones emerge, and there are a thousands of phonies who like to be considered insiders, yet have no info and either take a shot, come to some conclusion based off the sources they have liked, or in some rare instances, actually know something. Let's face it, we have had more posters on this board that supposedly know something about these negotiations, than any other negotiation or trade in this board's history. The fact is, there are people with the White Sox , relatively high up, that have no idea what is going on.

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2 minutes ago, Capital G said:

Doubt that is an option. What good would it do to the Sox? Us leaking a lower offer is only going to make other teams who thought he was not affordable think that maybe he is and they could start reaching out.

Well, we know St. Louis made a lowball offer that was rejected. If it leaks that the deal is 7/175, more teams will come in with offers slightly above that, leaving the real offer, say 8/250, the clear cut best deal. Therefore the Sox come out appearing to be the only team paying above market value set by those offers and Manny has no choice but to accept it. I really hope that isn’t the case, because that shines a negative light on the Sox, but I wouldn’t put it past JR to try and play the system like that. I also think that the Philly or Boras theory makes sense too.

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9 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

8/260 Machado

10/326 Harper

We get Machado...fall just short of Harper who goes to Phillies.

This seems pretty realistic.  I do expect, if (when) the Sox sign Machado, there will be reports that they're still "in" on Harper.  Seems like the Phillies are pressing hard for Harper, and I expect them to get him.

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1 hour ago, GermanSoxFan said:

Other free agents have to be livid that this is dragging on forever.

If the Sox were thinking of making a few moves after the Machado signing I'd like to see them now. Still strengthen the team and keep me interested in this daily grind. Just me dreaming.

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Ottavino would be perfect. A good pen could help this young team stay in games. Plus it would help the young staff. 

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Yeesh. MLB Radio still reporting the 7/175 deal, with a "but Lazano states that it's not accurate"   Way to go MLB, keep it up 

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26 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Good analysis. What I've always wondered is how does somebody like Boras leak info about the Manny/White Sox negotiations? If Boras calls up Buster Olney to start the leak, does Buster really just run with it and assume Boras is telling the truth when he's not even involved in the negotiations?

Same with the Phillies. Why would any reporter believe their leak when the information is about the White Sox and Manny?

Is the answer as simple as, "well, reporters crave information and badly want to be the one to break news these days that they will believe anything."?

I don’t think these leaks come directly from Boras or a member in the Phillies front office.  I think it’s a bit of a game of telephone and you purposely build in a few layers (using so called “industry sources”) so it can’t be traced back to you.  But honestly, that’s just me guessing.

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10 minutes ago, JoshPR said:

Ottavino would be perfect. A good pen could help this young team stay in games. Plus it would help the young staff. 

I agree with this.  No way we get both of the Whales.  Go get Ottavino and definitely have a killer bullpen.  Shorten the games and give us a great shot of being much better this year.

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I will say it will be interesting when both these guys sign and details pour out of the numbers that we're actually on the table and see which writers have real sources and which we're hacking away.

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10 minutes ago, aeichhor said:

 

WTF. Why not just tweet a selfie flipping him off Phil? Seems like there’s going to be quite a few writers that burn some bridges in the aftermath of all this.

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Anyone else starting to think the Sox are prepared to do something crazy and the Phillies are talking a big game but will ultimately come up short?  I’m sure this post will come back to haunt me in the not too distant future, but I feel like Uncle Jerry may be sick of the losing and is ready to spend big bucks with 83 just around the corner.  Not to be dire, but no one wants to go out as a rebuilding loser.  I really think Reinsdorf is ready to nut up and add two fucking whales.

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4 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

I thought 8/280 originally but unbelievable lack of suitors made me adjust down a bit. 

Got to give Lozano something he can brag about and that’s the AAV record.  I don’t see any chance in hell he breaks Stanton’s total contract record at this point and Bryce would probably just top it within the next month anyways.

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12 minutes ago, aeichhor said:

 

Is it me or are these so called professional reporters sounding like spoiled children. First Bruce throwing his toys out the pram at Heyman and now Rogers with this. They should just accept they were caught spreading fake news and move on.

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4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Anyone else starting to think the Sox are prepared to do something crazy and the Phillies are talking a big game but will ultimately come up short?  I’m sure this post will come back to haunt me in the not too distant future, but I feel like Uncle Jerry may be sick of the losing and is ready to spend big bucks with 83 just around the corner.  Not to be dire, but no one wants to go out as a rebuilding loser.  I really think Reinsdorf is ready to nut up and add two fucking whales.

I really don't ha. I wouldn't be opposed to signing Machado, one of Gio/Pomeranz, and Ottavino and calling it an off-season though.

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The sox pursuit of Manny and Harper this offseason has never had anything to do with their plans for Soxfest,  obviously. They were never going to use Soxfest to "announce" anything new. That being said, now they have to address the 800lb gorilla in the room (all the drama that has taken place this week). What is happening with the Manny Machado talks? Who is leaking what? The Sox know the questions are coming - and some fans are pissed (for sure frustrated). 

So I guess I'm wondering now are the Sox feeling any pressure to get something done by Soxfest? Probably not. But it sure is going to make Soxfest way more interesting this year compared to years past! Maybe Richard Roeper was right about Soxfest this year. You're going to want to be there!

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