Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, mqr said: I think it's even better example of how people look WAY too highly at prospects. When your team is sitting on a 70 win projection and that could darn well be optimistic, with the current contract rules you should be doing exactly that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The fact that Fulmer even as a "maybe someone might actually fix him" last chance guy is more valuable to us than Joc is a great demonstration of why that deal is a poor fit for the White Sox. I think Joc is fairly valuable to the Sox if they land Machado. I understand that you likely disagree. We have a black hole in CF for the next 2 seasons at least. I think Bummer + Fulmer is a pretty good trade for the Sox, I just personally like Fulmer and would like to give him one last real shot at a pen spot without jerking him around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The fact that Fulmer even as a "maybe someone might actually fix him" last chance guy is more valuable to us than Joc is a great demonstration of why that deal is a poor fit for the White Sox. 100% disagree here. Three months from now Fulmer could have zero value, while Joc is a cheap, useful player that could be traded at deadline and return sometime greater if necessary. The only reason you don’t make trade is if you’re convinced Driveline can return Carson to former 1st round pick glory. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: When your team is sitting on a 70 win projection and that could darn well be optimistic, with the current contract rules you should be doing exactly that. I have no idea what this post means. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, heirdog said: Yes, but I’m going off the smoke from a couple weeks ago that agreement in principle w Sox done but just waiting Realmuto deal...and IMO, Manny signing w White Sox Did someone reputable actually say that there was an agreement in principle and Dodgers were just waiting for Realmuto resolution? Or was that just Soxtalk speculation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 We can assume Manchado wants 10/300 so maybe the Sox should step up and offer 9/270. Even so he might wait until ST is well under way before making a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, Perfect Vision said: Did someone reputable actually say that there was an agreement in principle and Dodgers were just waiting for Realmuto resolution? Or was that just Soxtalk speculation? No, there was just a rumor started by Jason Kinander and corroborated by a bunch of twitter and board insiders. It was suggested strongly that the deal was done. It hasn't happened yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Perfect Vision said: Did someone reputable actually say that there was an agreement in principle and Dodgers were just waiting for Realmuto resolution? Or was that just Soxtalk speculation? No, but people strongly alleged that there was a deal very close to completion weeks ago, and the connection between that deal not happening and these talks makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The fact that Fulmer even as a "maybe someone might actually fix him" last chance guy is more valuable to us than Joc is a great demonstration of why that deal is a poor fit for the White Sox. fulmer is nothing dude. zero faith in him rebounding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I hope its true, but I don't see a team "agreeing" to trade somebody and hold on to them just in case. If anything they would still be talking offers in hopes they will get more in return. I could be wrong (hopefully). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said: fulmer is nothing dude. zero faith in him rebounding I find it too believable that a guy can be fixed when he looks for help outside of our organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, bmags said: I find it too believable that a guy can be fixed when he looks for help outside of our organization. That's only if you think Fulmer wasn't DOA, which I am inclined to. Edited February 7, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Fulmer is something? Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. The problem is how do spikes in velocity & spin rate improve his command? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: The problem is how do spikes in velocity & spin rate improve his command? Spin rate will definitely improve command. Makes the fastball straighter and the breaking pitches tighter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. SInce the Dodgers and Sox share Camelback Ranch, I wouldn't be surprised for a trade were to be made after pitchers and catchers report. It may give the Sox and Dodgers a chance to "scout" the final pieces of the trade some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. any examples of driveline turning around a specific player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: The problem is how do spikes in velocity & spin rate improve his command? I agree, but I guess that's not something that they can translate in to concrete data for us. They have the cameras and pitch tracking to see velocity and spin rates. How can they prove his command is better? Either way, I'm intrigued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: The problem is how do spikes in velocity & spin rate improve his command? Maybe they don't help with command per se, but hitters will not see the ball as well against him and swing at those pitches outside the zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. Word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 If Driveline works for Fulmer, it will take an arm falling off for anyone to give up on a pitching prospect again. Fulmer's stuff was fine. He couldn't throw a strike to save his life. I don't know how more spin and higher velo corrects that unless maybe it calms down his delivery a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Kiebs13 said: any examples of driveline turning around a specific player? Trevor Bauer I believe was the original poster boy for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: If Driveline works for Fulmer, it will take an arm falling off for anyone to give up on a pitching prospect again. Fulmer's stuff was fine. He couldn't throw a strike to save his life. I don't know how more spin and higher velo corrects that unless maybe it calms down his delivery a bit. His stuff was fine in college until he tinkered things to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hi8is said: His stuff was fine in college until he tinkered things to death. "Fine". top 10 pick worthy? Never was imo Edited February 7, 2019 by Kiebs13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. hmm interesting. Have you heard of other pitchers going there and correcting flaws/having success Nevermind. I see your Bauer comp Edited February 7, 2019 by cjgalloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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