Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: Spin rate will definitely improve command. Makes the fastball straighter and the breaking pitches tighter. While I’d normally be willing to accept defeat here 😊, Carson wasn’t just missing by inches. He was all over the place and walking between 5 to 7 per nine innings. I’m not sure crisper offerings will change that enough, but clearly I’m not a pitching expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said: "Fine". top 10 pick worthy? Never was imo Sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: While I’d normally be willing to accept defeat here 😊, Carson wasn’t just missing by inches. He was all over the place and walking between 5 to 7 per nine innings. I’m not sure crisper offerings will change that enough, but clearly I’m not a pitching expert. Me neither, but maybe there is also an added placebo effect that allows him to have better command? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 This is interesting: https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 Story says Manny "turned down" the Sox offer of 175 million "recently." First time I've heard of this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, hi8is said: Sure? yup. I'm sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Fulmer has/had premium stuff. The Sox botched his development enough that if he never makes it, it will be hard to say whether he would have put things together without being rushed to levels he wasn't ready for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: This is interesting: https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 Story says Manny "turned down" the Sox offer of 175 million "recently." First time I've heard of this one. Don't know how I feel about this. I don't see any author for the piece and a lot of the other rumors have a reporter attached to them in the article. The manny turning down that offer is not attached to any reporter. Wonder if it's just a slip up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: This is interesting: https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 Story says Manny "turned down" the Sox offer of 175 million "recently." First time I've heard of this one. Must have came from Bruce Levine. Honestly, if 7/175 was the Sox initial offer, then yes he turned it down. But its definitely gone up from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: While I’d normally be willing to accept defeat here 😊, Carson wasn’t just missing by inches. He was all over the place and walking between 5 to 7 per nine innings. I’m not sure crisper offerings will change that enough, but clearly I’m not a pitching expert. The mechanics also will improve to keep the spin rate consistently high. But you're right, all of these things will help but until he shows it in a game, there is no telling if it helps enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: This is interesting: https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 Story says Manny "turned down" the Sox offer of 175 million "recently." First time I've heard of this one. Don’t believe it. I do think anyone but the Sox FO and Manny’s camp know the actual numbers. That article just takes Nightengale’s report and runs with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Don’t believe it. I do think anyone but the Sox FO and Manny’s camp know the actual numbers. That article just takes Nightengale’s report and runs with it. But Nightengale never said that he turned down that offer. This is new info #privateeye @hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, Orlando said: But Nightengale never said that he turned down that offer. This is new info #privateeye @hi8is I never believed the leaked offer to begin with. The article comes off to me as guesswork by the writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 for subscribers to the athletic, here is the link to the Q & A https://theathletic.com/805070/2019/02/06/live-qa-with-james-fegan-white-sox-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: 100% disagree here. Three months from now Fulmer could have zero value, while Joc is a cheap, useful player that could be traded at deadline and return sometime greater if necessary. The only reason you don’t make trade is if you’re convinced Driveline can return Carson to former 1st round pick glory. This is why I HATE talking about the draft and despise tanking/rebuilding. Fulmer was No. 8 overall pick and we're talking about zero value. Will we be saying the same about Madrigal? Burger? Geez I despise modern baseball. Could those of you who love the rebuild and draft comment? Thank you. Please don't tell me, "would you prefer the other way? Mediocrity?" Uh ... yes I would, cause if you have a fricking mediocre team you can then SIGN FREE AGENTS and then add bullpen pieces and then add a good bat or two. It's not my fault this inept front office thought guys like LaRoche, Dunn (until his last year) and some of those other free agents blew chunks! How bout sign the right free agents and evaluate talent correctly to add to a mediocre to B- base?!!! Say what you want about me and my lousy knowledge of analytics... we're discussing Fulmer possibly having zero value which is unacceptable to me and should be unacceptable to those of you who worship the DRAFT. Edited February 7, 2019 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I've said it a billion times, but I still think Fulmer could be a solid reliever. If he can somewhat command his pitches, he should be good enough to pitch an inning at a time out of the bullpen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, greg775 said: This is why I HATE talking about the draft and despise tanking/rebuilding. Fulmer was No. 8 overall pick and we're talking about zero value. Will we be saying the same about Madrigal? Burger? Geez I despise modern baseball. Could those of you who love the rebuild and draft comment? Thank you. Please don't tell me, "would you prefer the other way? Mediocrity?" Uh ... yes I would, cause if you have a fricking mediocre team you can then SIGN FREE AGENTS and then add bullpen pieces and then add a good bat or two. It's not my fault this inept front office thought guys like LaRoche, Dunn (until his last year) and some of those other free agents blew chunks! How bout sign the right free agents and evaluate talent correctly to add to a mediocre to B- base?!!! Say what you want about me and my lousy knowledge of analytics... we're discussing Fulmer possibly having zero value which is unacceptable to me and should be unacceptable to those of you who worship the DRAFT. There are numerous other threads to rehash this tired argument again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, greg775 said: This is why I HATE talking about the draft and despise tanking/rebuilding. Fulmer was No. 8 overall pick and we're talking about zero value. Will we be saying the same about Madrigal? Burger? Geez I despise modern baseball. Could those of you who love the rebuild and draft comment? Thank you. Please don't tell me, "would you prefer the other way? Mediocrity?" Uh ... yes I would, cause if you have a fricking mediocre team you can then SIGN FREE AGENTS and then add bullpen pieces and then add a good bat or two. It's not my fault this inept front office thought guys like LaRoche, Dunn (until his last year) and some of those other free agents blew chunks! How bout sign the right free agents and evaluate talent correctly to add to a mediocre to B- base?!!! Say what you want about me and my lousy knowledge of analytics... we're discussing Fulmer possibly having zero value which is unacceptable to me and should be unacceptable to those of you who worship the DRAFT. Wut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, fathom said: There are numerous other threads to rehash this tired argument again. Then why did somebody make a post or ten about Fulmer being a bust on here? It's not me bringing it up. It's me responding in anger. Tell the person who brought up Fulmer. Show me the thread about the lousy draft picks cause I'm ready to tee off on KW for five of the last seven No. 1 picks. Edited February 7, 2019 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, greg775 said: Then why did somebody make a post or ten about Fulmer being a bust on here? It's not me bringing it up. It's me responding in anger. Tell the person who brought up Fulmer. Show me the thread about the lousy draft picks cause I'm ready to tee off on KW for five of the last seven No. 1 picks. Dude. Logout of your account, turn off the computer, and go lie down for a little bit. Breathe. Edited February 7, 2019 by soxfan2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, greg775 said: Could those of you who love the rebuild and draft comment? Thank you. Three sentences into reading your post, I knew it was you buttercup. Only then did your glorious screen name greet my eyes to verify. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Where's the Old Man Yells at Cloud pic? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, greg775 said: This is why I HATE talking about the draft and despise tanking/rebuilding. Fulmer was No. 8 overall pick and we're talking about zero value. Will we be saying the same about Madrigal? Burger? Geez I despise modern baseball. Could those of you who love the rebuild and draft comment? Thank you. Please don't tell me, "would you prefer the other way? Mediocrity?" Uh ... yes I would, cause if you have a fricking mediocre team you can then SIGN FREE AGENTS and then add bullpen pieces and then add a good bat or two. It's not my fault this inept front office thought guys like LaRoche, Dunn (until his last year) and some of those other free agents blew chunks! How bout sign the right free agents and evaluate talent correctly to add to a mediocre to B- base?!!! Say what you want about me and my lousy knowledge of analytics... we're discussing Fulmer possibly having zero value which is unacceptable to me and should be unacceptable to those of you who worship the DRAFT. You really are clueless aren't you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, hi8is said: Three sentences into reading your post, I knew it was you buttercup. Only then did your glorious screen name greet my eyes to verify. HAHAHAH Post of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, hi8is said: Three sentences into reading your post, I knew it was you buttercup. Only then did your glorious screen name greet my eyes to verify. Three sentences? The first one should have been a dead giveaway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I won't post any more on this topic but I'm offended by being called "buttercup." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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