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2 minutes ago, KiwiSox said:

I dont think the Sox have a maximum. Or at least their maximum is so high it may as well not be relevant with how the market for Machado has materialized.

What the Sox do have I ***think*** (no direct source, no "guy" in the White Sox FO) is a serious intention to spend as little on Machado as possible because whatever excess value they get out of that contract they can turn around and use to outbid on Harper. Harper is the prize. He was the prize for day 1. That doesn't mean they dont desperately want Machado too, but the ability to sign both informs every offer the White Sox make.

Based on the Yonder and Jay deals, I think Machado is their main goal. Especially when you factor in the crazy OF depth the Sox have in the minors. 

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3 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Based on the Yonder and Jay deals, I think Machado is their main goal. Especially when you factor in the crazy OF depth the Sox have in the minors. 

Exactly. They spent $13 million and a prospect on these two, and despite how some try to spin it, that’s a high price to pay for guys that aren’t going to help you win if they don’t bring Manny with them. Jay hasn’t had a 2.0 fWAR since 2012. Alonso has put up higher than a 1.2 fWAR once in his career.

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6 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Based on the Yonder and Jay deals, I think Machado is their main goal. Especially when you factor in the crazy OF depth the Sox have in the minors. 

Nobody they have in the minors is a good reason to not sign an MVP-level talent like Harper. I like Blake Rutherford a lot, but what are the odds of him becoming Bryce Harper in the majors?

As for Jay and Alonso. The money invested in them is puny compared to even the lowball numbers being discussed in regards to Machado and Harper. Its not like the Sox are doing anything better with those roster spots. I think actually a bit too big a deal has been made of those two acquisitions, personally.

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56 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

I think the video being posted in he first place is pretty interesting. The fact that it was deleted is what really caught my eye.

I just watched it on her IG an hour ago. 

EDIT: Just checked, still there.

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2 minutes ago, KiwiSox said:

Nobody they have in the minors is a good reason to not sign an MVP-level talent like Harper. I like Blake Rutherford a lot, but what are the odds of him becoming Bryce Harper in the majors?

As for Jay and Alonso. The money invested in them is puny compared to even the lowball numbers being discussed in regards to Machado and Harper. Its not like the Sox are doing anything better with those roster spots. I think actually a bit too big a deal has been made of those two acquisitions, personally.

Harper won't be able to hold Eloy's jock strap when he arrives. 

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2 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

I just watched it on her IG an hour ago. 

EDIT: Just checked, still there.

Manny had it on his account

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1 minute ago, ron883 said:

Harper won't be able to hold Eloy's jock strap when he arrives. 

That sure would be nice wouldn't it? I would not count on it though.

And even so, that doesn't solve the problem the Sox have at the other corner spot.

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12 minutes ago, KiwiSox said:

I dont think the Sox have a maximum. Or at least their maximum is so high it may as well not be relevant with how the market for Machado has materialized.

What the Sox do have I ***think*** (no direct source, no "guy" in the White Sox FO) is a serious intention to spend as little on Machado as possible because whatever excess value they get out of that contract they can turn around and use to outbid on Harper. Harper is the prize. He was the prize for day 1. That doesn't mean they dont desperately want Machado too, but the ability to sign both informs every offer the White Sox make.

I tend to agree with this.  @macsandz has, in the past, said Sox feel good about where they are with Bryce.  

The 3 team dog and pony show w Manny in December and in-law/BFF signing makes it hard to “hide in the weeds” on Manny but I think Sox are doing just that with Bryce.  

Alonso and Jay could be as much about recruitment as it is about keeping Manny professional (hustling, saying the right things, etc), something I don’t think teams worry about on Bryce.  

Might have to go 10/310 on Bryce and 8/260 on Manny so one wins total value and the other AAV.  Before we take Rick Hahn at face value on “not the best financial decision to sign both”, let’s not lose the fact we are talking about two HoF type talents in their absolute prime.  I bank on that more than relying on 2 of Robert, Adolfo, Basabe et al coming close to the level of Bryce.

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15 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Harper won't be able to hold Eloy's jock strap when he arrives. 

When he comes up, Eloy's going to be a 22 year old rookie who moved fast through the last levels and had some injury issues last year. Don't be too disappointed if he doesn't live up to this standard immediately.

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37 minutes ago, KiwiSox said:

That sure would be nice wouldn't it? I would not count on it though.

And even so, that doesn't solve the problem the Sox have at the other corner spot.

Exactly.  The Sox have a Major Problem at the other OF corner.  The closest thing in the minors to solving it is many years away.  Harper is the prize.   It allows the Sox to trade from that depth instead of depending on it.  It’s the smart play.  

 

Machado is Checkers.  Harper is Chess. 

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29 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

When he comes up, Eloy's going to be a 22 year old rookie who moved fast through the last levels and had some injury issues last year. Don't be too disappointed if he doesn't live up to this standard immediately.

This.

We all fall in love with prospects and I truly think Eloy is the real deal however not all debuts go as planned. I think we all thought Moncada might have some struggles or Giolito or Fulmer, but basically it's more common that prospects fail to live up to their billings, especially in their first cup of tea.

Hate to be Mr. Pessimism - but this is exactly why I think fans that think the Sox have more than a 1% chance of winning the pennant in 2020 are either a bit foolish or too optimistic. You'd have Cease, Kopech and maybe Dunning trying to go through their first season in a rotation. Kopech would likely be on an innings limitation. Likely all guys would be. It's also probably expected those guys would fizzle as the year goes on, and probably fool hearted to expect them to go through a grind of a season AND THEN pitch amazing in the playoffs.

Same with bats... Madrigal, Robert, Adolfo, Collins, etc. would be taking lumps as well. Probably not as bad as pitching, but still guys that are going to have to learn to adjust at the major league level.

I'm still aiming for a 2022 WS run. 2021 would be a very, very, very, successful early run in my book. A lot would have to go perfectly right if we are making REAL noise in 2020 or 2021 (real noise = winning more than 1 game in the ALCS)

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I’ve never been more confident that a prospect will succeed as I am with Eloy. I’ve seen him a good number of times in person, and what’s so impressive about him at the plate, is how much of the plate he can cover. When you see him up to bat, it’s actually incredible that pitchers are able to get the ball by him. Not to say that he will be the AL MVP this season, but he will have immediate success.

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1 minute ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

I’ve never been more confident that a prospect will succeed has I am with Eloy. I’ve seen him a good number of times in person, and what’s so impressive about him at the plate, is how much of the plate he can cover. When you see him up to bat, it’s actually incredible that pitchers are able to get the ball by him. Not to say that he will be the AL MVP, but he will have immediate success.

Expecting success I'm totally ok with. If you're saying he's going to make Bryce Harper look like a weak hitter in his rookie campaign I worry people have their levels set too high. If all he does is put up an .825 OPS and is the best hitter (Currently) on our roster, those people will be disappointed even though that would be really good for a 22 year old in a first stint against big league pitching.

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9 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

I’ve never been more confident that a prospect will succeed has I am with Eloy. I’ve seen him a good number of times in person, and what’s so impressive about him at the plate, is how much of the plate he can cover. When you see him up to bat, it’s actually incredible that pitchers are able to get the ball by him. Not to say that he will be the AL MVP, but he will have immediate success.

Saw one of his HR live last year. The ball just sounds different off his bat

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12 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

I’ve never been more confident that a prospect will succeed has I am with Eloy. I’ve seen him a good number of times in person, and what’s so impressive about him at the plate, is how much of the plate he can cover. When you see him up to bat, it’s actually incredible that pitchers are able to get the ball by him. Not to say that he will be the AL MVP, but he will have immediate success.

Mike Trout had a 672 OPS in his first 40 big league games. 

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34 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Exactly.  The Sox have a Major Problem at the other OF corner.  The closest thing in the minors to solving it is many years away.  Harper is the prize.   It allows the Sox to trade from that depth instead of depending on it.  It’s the smart play.  

 

Machado is Checkers.  Harper is Chess. 

What major problem? How are the closest thing in the minors to solving it many years away?

This year, in AAA and AA the Sox will have:

Luis Gonzalez

Basebe

Rutherford may be there

Micker should be on a fast track assuming health is there

ETA for Gonzalez and Basebe would be 2020 - possibly, if all things go well I wouldn't be shocked to see one of them in 2019.

Micker you could realistically put at late 2020 as an ETA.

Rutherford is probably the furthest out and we're talking 2021 there. Also, if the Sox sign Manny, then Anderson or Moncada may be shifting to the outfield.

This doesn't even account for Robert who, if he succeeds this year, will be fast tracked given his contract and expectations. 

To say the closest thing is many years away is just wrong. I'm not sure why it's better to trade from depth than depend on it. That's an odd thing to say.

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4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

 

Mike Trout had a 672 OPS in his first 40 big league games. 

But two years less experience than Jimenez...not to mention how few games NJ high schoolers get compared to warm weather states.

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5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

 

Mike Trout had a 672 OPS in his first 40 big league games. 

He was also 3 years younger and only played 1.5 years of MiLB ball, not 5 years like Eloy.

Also so what? Take his first 162 and it looks a lot better.

This is like a “Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team” thing.

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3 minutes ago, bmags said:

He was also 3 years younger and only played 1.5 years of MiLB ball, not 5 years like Eloy.

Also so what? Take his first 162 and it looks a lot better.

This is like a “Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team” thing.

So if his numbers don't make Bryce Harper look pathetic next year you're going to be disappointed?

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1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

So if his numbers don't make Bryce Harper look pathetic next year you're going to be disappointed?

Yep that’s what I said!

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1 minute ago, bmags said:

Yep that’s what I said!

That's where this conversation started, a person saying that Bryce Harper couldn't hold Eloy's Jock Strap. A couple of us said things along the line of "Give him time, he could be the best hitter on the team and that still wouldn't be true" and you chimed in to tell us that was a "jordan cut from his high school basketball kinda thing". 

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16 minutes ago, bmags said:

He was also 3 years younger and only played 1.5 years of MiLB ball, not 5 years like Eloy.

Also so what? Take his first 162 and it looks a lot better.

This is like a “Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team” thing.

No... Trout struggled his first taste of big league baseball. That was my point. Even one of the greatest players of all-time wasn't great out of the gate. 

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1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

That's where this conversation started, a person saying that Bryce Harper couldn't hold Eloy's Jock Strap. A couple of us said things along the line of "Give him time, he could be the best hitter on the team and that still wouldn't be true" and you chimed in to tell us that was a "jordan cut from his high school basketball kinda thing". 

The specific example of Mike Trout struggling as a 19 year old was used, I took exception to that, I also quoted it.

Who cares if Jimenez is not appreciated to the right degree. An .820 OPs is obviously going to be great to watch. But what if it’s .750? I certainly expect more. Not every prospect struggles right away, just ours.

Juan Soto and Acuna has .920 Ops as 19 and 20 year olds. It’s fine to expect Jimenez to be good. 

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3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

No... Trout struggled his first taste of big league baseball. That was my point. Even one of the greatest players of all-time wasn't great out of the gate. 

The situation Jimenez will be entering is much more favorable. If he hits under .700 OPS his first full year it will be a disaster. If he does it his first month and a half... we’ll just say it’s due to cold. This guy does have high expectations, but he welcomes them. 

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