Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, fathom said: FWIW, Jim Bowden also said today that he thinks if the Phillies get Harper, then it's between Sox and Padres for Manny (with Yankees looming on a short-term deal). He suggested that the Sox leaking contract info a while back might have upset Manny and Lozano. Who cares. Lozano just wants the most money; Lozano is the biggest dirt ball in the agent world which is truly saying something. He's not going to leave commission on the table because he got mad at the White Sox. He knows he leaks bullshit all the time. None of this is personal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Who cares. Lozano just wants the most money; Lozano is the biggest dirt ball in the agent world which is truly saying something. He's not going to leave commission on the table because he got mad at the White Sox. He knows he leaks bullshit all the time. None of this is personal. Is Lozano really that different than any other agent? Part of their job is to get the most for their clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fuagman said: Even though Preller is a scary wild card, he can’t be THAT crazy to spend all his money, while in a solid division, when his starting rotation is: Joey Lucchesi Robbie Erlin Bryan Mitchell Eric Lauer Luis Perdomo Yes they have a lot of solid SP prospects but they’re young with uncertainties. They don’t have a Kopech or Rodon, or even a Lopez. They need that money for SP. At least when he went crazy in 2015 (and fell flat on his face) with upton, Myers, kimbrel, they had Kennedy and Tyson Ross coming off solid years, got James shields and Andrew cashner was expected to still somebody Keuchel theoretically would do well out there...Gio wouldn't be a bad sign, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: Is Lozano really that different than any other agent? Part of their job is to get the most for their clients. Yes, he is different. He lies to his clients, and plays two face. Lozano is about as shitty of a human as you'll find. Give this a read if you're interested: https://deadspin.com/dan-lozano-albert-pujolss-superagent-king-of-sleaze-5861982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, he is different. He lies to his clients, and plays two face. Lozano is about as shitty of a human as you'll find. Give this a read if you're interested: https://deadspin.com/dan-lozano-albert-pujolss-superagent-king-of-sleaze-5861982 With all do respect, deadspin, really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said: With all do respect, deadspin, really? This was when deadspin was a good platform so I'm not sure why you're saying really. This was when they were a good investigative site with good indepth stories. That article is from 2011 - the things in there are facts. Don't hate the source, read the story. Edited February 16, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, hi8is said: The whole basis of “rep points” only started recently, smart guy. It was a joke. Anyway, you are one of my favorite posters here, but you do need to understand not every comment here has to be serious. People are also entitled to their own opinions and can vent about the team as they see fit. Enjoy your Saturday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 719 pages and NOTHING! I tell you NOTHING! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: 719 pages and NOTHING! I tell you NOTHING! This sums up the 719 pages... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: It was a joke. Anyway, you are one of my favorite posters here, but you do need to understand not every comment here has to be serious. People are also entitled to their own opinions and can vent about the team as they see fit. Enjoy your Saturday! Very serious place. Very serious people. Very serious topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinsettle Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Orlando said: That makes a lot of sense. All of Chicago media and anyone who has broken Sox news in the past were reporting 7/175 when Lozano came out and condemned it. That was pointed at the Sox. What would be the motivation for the Sox to leak 7/175? That would only bring more teams into the mix to bid for his services. Lozano would have the most to gain by leaking that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 54 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: This was when deadspin was a good platform so I'm not sure why you're saying really. This was when they were a good investigative site with good indepth stories. That article is from 2011 - the things in there are facts. Don't hate the source, read the story. Or just look at the pictures, which definitely don’t lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Justinsettle said: What would be the motivation for the Sox to leak 7/175? That would only bring more teams into the mix to bid for his services. Lozano would have the most to gain by leaking that. How can people dispute that the Sox leaked that when Merkin and Garfein and a bunch of Chicago news paper nobody’s reported it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, hi8is said: Very serious place. Very serious people. Very serious topics. Not really. People can make jokes dude. We've made plenty of them this thread and in others. Hell, the title of this thread adds a little comedic flavor instead of just saying "The Manny Machado Thread". If posters aren't attacking other posters and things are light hearted who cares? We are all Sox fans cheering for the same objectives. Lastly, this place is so serious that 10 people repped my joke about you already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, he is different. He lies to his clients, and plays two face. Lozano is about as shitty of a human as you'll find. Give this a read if you're interested: https://deadspin.com/dan-lozano-albert-pujolss-superagent-king-of-sleaze-5861982 He is an agent, they are usually lawyers and shady guys. I honestly wouldn't trust them if i had them, but would appreciate their efforts in getting me paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said: He is an agent, they are usually lawyers and shady guys. I honestly wouldn't trust them if i had them, but would appreciate their efforts in getting me paid. He didn't even have a degree. Agents aren't the best people alive, but this guy makes the rest look like Mother Theresa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 As we recall, Lozano made mention of possible CBA violations and/or lying. Here was the quote "I don’t know if their sources are blatantly violating the Collective Bargaining Agreement by intentionally misleading them to try and affect negotiations through the public or are just flat out lying to them for other reasons.". The media isn't bound by the CBA - so he clearly was accusing a team there. And the Sox possible intent would be obvious. Float low numbers out there to hopefully prevent huge offers being thrown Manny's way. Yeah it would bring more suitors, but it would be low limit suitors the Sox would probably be comfortable that they could pass with an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: He didn't even have a degree. Agents aren't the best people alive, but this guy makes the rest look like Mother Theresa. Well that is a game changer I admit. I wouldn't hire an agent with no degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Well that is a game changer I admit. I wouldn't hire an agent with no degree. A quote from the piece: With Lozano, that question is always there. Through the years, he has told clients and colleagues that his career began in 1990 as a kid fresh out of USC, where he played Division I ball and earned a law degree. Every part of that sentence is false. Lozano never passed the bar, never went to law school, didn't even earn an undergraduate degree. He told USA Today that he was just one Spanish class shy of graduating, but he once told a co-worker he lasted only "a few semesters." (He also told USA Today he dropped out because he was "negotiating the biggest deal in baseball history." He was referring to Mike Piazza's gargantuan Mets contract, which was signed nine years after he dropped out.) As for his boast of playing baseball for the Trojans? Longtime USC coach Mike Gillespie has no recollection of Lozano, and his name appears nowhere in a list of all-time letterwinners. It's not for nothing that, according to colleagues, people in the BHSC office took to calling him "Lie-zo." lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Well that is a game changer I admit. I wouldn't hire an agent with no degree. Maybe not, but I am sure his agency makes up for that with lawyers and tax guys. It might be better to have a street smart guy who won’t flinch doing the negotiating. He has a pretty impressive client list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Maybe not, but I am sure his agency makes up for that with lawyers and tax guys. It might be better to have a street smart guy who won’t flinch doing the negotiating. He has a pretty impressive client list. Lozano is desperate for cash and will worry about himself before his client - that's not exactly what you want in your agent. Dick, I'll be honest, you have some of the most interesting takes here. Having a guy who lies about everything - even my salary offerings so that he can claim he talked them up to give me more - is not exactly what I want out of my agent. Also, why would Boras "use" the White Sox. If they offered the most money, that's where Harper would go. He wasn't using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Not really. People can make jokes dude. We've made plenty of them this thread and in others. Hell, the title of this thread adds a little comedic flavor instead of just saying "The Manny Machado Thread". If posters aren't attacking other posters and things are light hearted who cares? We are all Sox fans cheering for the same objectives. Lastly, this place is so serious that 10 people repped my joke about you already. SERIOUS PLACE. SERIOUS PEOPLE. SERIOUS TOPICS. no fun allowed, boo-boo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Wonder if Harper signing with the Phils being close helps or hurts us? The Sox will be Mannys only suitor but Harper is gonna make a ton of money and Manny might want to top that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Lozano is desperate for cash and will worry about himself before his client - that's not exactly what you want in your agent. Dick, I'll be honest, you have some of the most interesting takes here. Having a guy who lies about everything - even my salary offerings so that he can claim he talked them up to give me more - is not exactly what I want out of my agent. Also, why would Boras "use" the White Sox. If they offered the most money, that's where Harper would go. He wasn't using them. First off, the 7 year old Deadspin articles sources were people upset the lying, cheating, despicable Lozano left their agency and created a new one I don’t know where you come up with desperate for cash. According to Forbes, he made $27 million the first 9 months of last year.. And with the White Sox being used, it had to do with Bowdens comment that he was never going to sign with a team that wouldn’t contend in 2019. If that is true, how were they not used? Edited February 16, 2019 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, nickofypres said: Wonder if Harper signing with the Phils being close helps or hurts us? The Sox will be Mannys only suitor but Harper is gonna make a ton of money and Manny might want to top that. If it takes the Phillies off Machado, it helps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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