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31 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

The real question of today is whether the Phillies can afford to wait two more years on Trout...passing on Machado and Harper.

 

Realistically, If you go back to the Royals/Cubs/Astros, they weren’t even close to paying $7 million per WAR (other than Lester or Shields), the majority of their numbers came from internal development, international signings and trades.   That said, the White Sox might not have a choice, especially with the Kopech injury.

That ROI on two whales seems “fine” as an evaluative number in isolation....but that also means $160-175 million as a payroll in 2021-22-23.   I guess we have to believe it when we actually see it.

I just don’t see why it matters what these other clubs did.  The Royals had to suck for a decade to amass the talent they did.  The Cubs & Astros basically hit on 90% of their moves, which is not a realistic expectation.  And the Cubs still spent a ton of money on Heyward, Zobrist, Lester, Lackey, etc.  We need to do what’s best for us right now, not what has worked for other teams in the past.

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12 minutes ago, FT35 said:

I mean if we got Machado + Harper, WE could trade for Trout...

Jimenez+Moncada+Kopech+++

Leaves us with an OF of Trout, Harper and Robert—then you slide Madrigal in at 2B...

You just couldn’t afford to field any other players, and you’d have to figure out a way to roster a pitcher, but I still like our chances with that big 3!

If we sign machado and Harper we could not SIGN Trout though. Would not be a good value for one year. Maybe if it’s a deadline acquisition in 2020 and we are gonna destroy the league with 4 all star outfielders (Harper, Robert, trout, Eloy)

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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Really need Chili or NotHahn to provide us with an actual rumor or hope some smoke comes out of this Philles-Harper meeting.

NotHahn meets at noon and Chili said sometime this weekend. Hopefully good news (or good rumors).

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16 minutes ago, Saufley said:

NotHahn meets at noon and Chili said sometime this weekend. Hopefully good news (or good rumors).

Awesome thanks!  Hopefully NotHahn provides those rumors in real time!

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23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I just don’t see why it matters what these other clubs did.  The Royals had to suck for a decade to amass the talent they did.  The Cubs & Astros basically hit on 90% of their moves, which is not a realistic expectation.  And the Cubs still spent a ton of money on Heyward, Zobrist, Lester, Lackey, etc.  We need to do what’s best for us right now, not what has worked for other teams in the past.

The Cubs and Astros absolutely did not hit on 90% of their moves. The Astros are my constant example of how rebuilding works even when you make a ton of mistakes in the draft. Aiken, Mark Appel over Bryant, they had 3 straight #1 picks and have 1 player out of them.

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Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

Awesome thanks!  Hopefully NotHahn provides those rumors in real time!

Perhaps a live video with his source's face blacked out and voice distorted? lol

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1 hour ago, Saufley said:

NotHahn meets at noon and Chili said sometime this weekend. Hopefully good news (or good rumors).

Hopefully Chili meets tomorrow afternoon just to kind of space it out a bit.

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It’s my birthday too. Give me a present. All donations accepted and will be used towards funding a Machado or Harper signing.

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10 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow
Creeps in this petty place from day today
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
the way to dusty death
Out, out brief candle
Life's but a walking shadow
A poor player that struts and frets its hour upon the stage and is heard no more
It is a tale told by an idiot
Full of sound and Fury

Signifying nothing

 

I trust you'll understand the reference to another Scottish tragedy without my having to name the play.

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4 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

Hopefully Chili meets tomorrow afternoon just to space it out a bit. Kinda space it out a bit.

Hopefully Machado signs today and we don't have to worry about insider rumors.

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2 minutes ago, hi8is said:

It’s my birthday too. Give me a present. All donations accepted and will be used towards funding a Machado or Harper signing.

 

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27 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

The Cubs and Astros absolutely did not hit on 90% of their moves. The Astros are my constant example of how rebuilding works even when you make a ton of mistakes in the draft. Aiken, Mark Appel over Bryant, they had 3 straight #1 picks and have 1 player out of them.

Didn’t they get Bregman with the pick they got for not signing Aiken?  That worked out pretty well.

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16 minutes ago, bschmaranz said:

 

And if the Sox don't sign Machado or Harper we'll all be singing " I wanna be sedated".

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22 minutes ago, hi8is said:

It’s my birthday too. Give me a present. All donations accepted and will be used towards funding a Machado or Harper signing.

Happy birthday.  I hope you get that present!

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34 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Awesome thanks!  Hopefully NotHahn provides those rumors in real time!

Seriously - I've never been this excited to hear how a one year old's birthday party went; I'm jonesing for some info.

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25 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

The Cubs and Astros absolutely did not hit on 90% of their moves. The Astros are my constant example of how rebuilding works even when you make a ton of mistakes in the draft. Aiken, Mark Appel over Bryant, they had 3 straight #1 picks and have 1 player out of them.

Aiken got them Bergman bro, who just put a 7.6 win season (god I really wanted him for Sale).  That’s a gigantic fucking win for them and you trying to suggest otherwise is manipulation at it’s finest.  Passing on Bryant was a huge miss and there is no doubting that.  But other than the Gomez deal, have there really been any other deals that were legit bad?  Luhnow literally has stolen a ton of quality players (Marwin, Devinski, Alvarez, etc.), drafted incredibly well, and build a strong LatAm pipeline.  I stand by my statement they’ve hit on the vast majority of their moves.

The same applies for the Cubs.  They literally hit on almost every draft pick for an extended period of time, made an absolute killing in LatAm (Eloy & Torres in the same class...holy fuck), built a championship rotation with zero in-house guys, made numerous trades in which they were the clear winner, and added several high end free agents that played integral roles in winning a World Series.  Of course they had some misses (Heyward, Jackson, etc.) but again the vast majority of their moves worked.

Look at most teams draft, trade, and free agency histories and they’d be FAR worst.  The Cubs & Astros have been without question amongst the elite in terms of talent evaluation.  You are kidding yourself if you suggest otherwise, unless you are fixated on an arbitrary percentage I threw out there.

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2 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

Seriously - I've never been this excited to hear how a one year old's birthday party went; I'm jonesing for some info.

Lmao we just need a little taste.

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15 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said:

And if the Sox don't sign Machado or Harper we'll all be singing " I wanna be sedated".

More like "beat on the beat with a baseball bat" as the posters here will go after Hahn and KW.

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13 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

Seriously - I've never been this excited to hear how a one year old's birthday party went; I'm jonesing for some info.

Oh shit, is that why NotHahn is connecting with his source?

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9 minutes ago, ptatc said:

More like "beat on the beat with a baseball bat" as the posters here will go after Hahn and KW.

Oh boy you are not kidding. The fall out will be epic if one of them isn't signed. Already blown the dust off my hazmat suit just in case.

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